This NG....

I for one have definitely decided that this "Steve Filth" or whatever you
want to call him should "go Firth and multiply"
What a Muppet.
"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
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> David_LLAMA4x4 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Having already had this argument on this NG and having found no support
> > from the other posters whatsoever for your comments I am surprised that
you
> > still bother.
>
> The fact that you can find a couple of dimwits who want spam doesn't
> make it on-topic.
>
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

"AshleyJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Geoff wrote:
> > On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:16:47 -0000, "David_LLAMA4x4"
> >
> > -> As usual your comments are of little value to the group now slouch
back off
> > ->into your troll-cave and leave the group to have some positive
expression.
> >
> > And there we have it, a nice fun place to be uk.rec.cars.4x4 full of
spammers
> > and trolls and people bickering, all we need now if for that sir.tony
idiot to
> > reappear (he was the highest poster to this group for a while) and we
have the
> > complete set.
> >
> > It's hardly surprising this group is dead, would the last one out turn
off the
> > light...........................
> >
> I have only just started to check this newsgroup but if this is the
> standard of the posting then I don't think I will bother.
>
> I was hoping, having been a member of the AWDC for nearly 25 years, that
> there might have been some sensible discussions on 4x4 vehicles but I
> see I was wrong.
>
> /me turns off the light and shuts the door.

Your sort of experiences may well be of benefit to some of those in the
group - when you switch the light off nip into alt.fan.landrover for a look.
Even if you don't use a LR the converstaion there is more amicable and the
topics of offroading and product / vehicle use crop up for discussion.

David
LLAMA 4x4
www.llama4x4.co.uk
...

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
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> David_LLAMA4x4 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > As usual your comments are of little value to the group now slouch back
off
> > into your troll-cave and leave the group to have some positive
expression.
>
> Since you appear to be hard of thinking, I quote the charter for this
> newsgroup:
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Charter of Uk.Rec.Cars.4x4
>
> (Not Moderated)
>
> uk.rec.cars.4x4 is for the discussion of 4 wheel drive and off-road
> vehicles. Topics of discussion include:
>
> The relative merits of particular vehicles.
> Help were possible with 4x4 related problems.
> Areas of interest to visit.
> Recomendations of suppliers.
>
> There are many groups catering for sales and wants so advertising must
> be kept to forthcoming events.
>
> Binaries are not permitted on this newsgroup, but pointers to WEB sites
> are welcomed.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Is there any part of that that you don't understand? It makes it clear
> that the commercial advertising that you indulge in is not wanted, so
> would you kindly desist?
>
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Perhaps you are right even though I could argue that my posts are helping
people to be aware of what is available in the market to solve the problems
with their vehicle - the links get more tenuous.
What is certain is that of those who express their feelings on this NG are
not at one with your posts.
Perhaps the group has died a necessary death in a way which will
ultimatelu lead to no posts at all so you won;t have to worry.

I feel compelled to keep arguing my point but this will onlt encourafe you
to persist with your blinkered view.
You have every right to read what you want and not read what you want to -
I therefore request that to benefit the group unless you have a problem that
I might be able to help you with ( in which case I am happy to communicate )
then you refrain from communicating with me.

David
LLAMA 4x4
www.llama4x4.co.uk

In article <1gnu2bp.19i6m4212lir0gN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, Steve Firth wrote:
> Simon Barr <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Indeed and I'm still here too. I'd just like to say again that I don't
>> mind the odd advert that could be considered on-topic to this group, i.e.
>> the sort of stuff David sells.
>
> I don't give a flying **** what *you* want. The advertising is off-topic
> here. If you want to receive advertising from the spammer, subscribe to
> his mailing list.
>

Isn't that just a little bit selfish? What you want is OK but others can
go **** themselves.

I reckon we'll just have to disagree on this, goodbye and good ridance.

--
simon at sbarr dot demon dot co dot uk
Simon Barr.
'97 110 300Tdi.

Simon Barr wrote:

> In article <1gnu2bp.19i6m4212lir0gN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, Steve Firth wrote:
>
>>Simon Barr <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Indeed and I'm still here too. I'd just like to say again that I don't
>>>mind the odd advert that could be considered on-topic to this group, i.e.
>>>the sort of stuff David sells.
>>
>>I don't give a flying **** what *you* want. The advertising is off-topic
>>here. If you want to receive advertising from the spammer, subscribe to
>>his mailing list.
>
> Isn't that just a little bit selfish? What you want is OK but others can
> go **** themselves.

No, that's not what he's saying. He's saying it's off-topic, according
to the charter.

> I reckon we'll just have to disagree on this, goodbye and good ridance.

If you think advertising should be allowed, get the charter changed.

In article <[email protected]>, Eddie wrote:
> Simon Barr wrote:
>
>>
>> Isn't that just a little bit selfish? What you want is OK but others can
>> go **** themselves.
>
> No, that's not what he's saying. He's saying it's off-topic, according
> to the charter.
>
>> I reckon we'll just have to disagree on this, goodbye and good ridance.
>
> If you think advertising should be allowed, get the charter changed.

Like I said, we'll have to disagree on this.

I don't really consider the odd (read low volume) ad posting off-topic if
the ad is selling 4x4 related stuff.

Hardly overwhelmed with junk here are we?

--
simon at sbarr dot demon dot co dot uk
Simon Barr.
'97 110 300Tdi.

David_LLAMA4x4 wrote:
> Where have all the posts gone?
> Surely there is some none LR offroaders out there who want to talk.....

I expect a lot of people have been put off by the
pointless "sell it and get an LR" type comments that
tend to appear when someone mentions something that
is not an LR. I use a number of vehicle-specific
mailing lists and web forums these days; whilst
I still check here for general stuff I wouldn't
bother posting a vehicle specific question now.

-- Steve

"Steve Hunt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> David_LLAMA4x4 wrote:
> > Where have all the posts gone?
> > Surely there is some none LR offroaders out there who want to talk.....
>
> I expect a lot of people have been put off by the
> pointless "sell it and get an LR" type comments that
> tend to appear when someone mentions something that
> is not an LR. I use a number of vehicle-specific
> mailing lists and web forums these days; whilst
> I still check here for general stuff I wouldn't
> bother posting a vehicle specific question now.
>
> -- Steve

At last something we agree on !!!!!!!!
I am an offroader that happens to have chosen LR - that does not mean that
other vehicles are not as good or even have some features that are better.
Overall I still rate the LR as the obvious choice for offroading in the UK
but blind bias towards what is by no means a faultless vehicle is plain
silly!

David
LLAMA 4x4
www.llama4x4.co.uk

In message <[email protected]>, Simon Barr <[email protected]>
writes
>In article <[email protected]>, Eddie wrote:
>> Simon Barr wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Isn't that just a little bit selfish? What you want is OK but others can
>>> go **** themselves.
>>
>> No, that's not what he's saying. He's saying it's off-topic, according
>> to the charter.
>>
>>> I reckon we'll just have to disagree on this, goodbye and good ridance.
>>
>> If you think advertising should be allowed, get the charter changed.
>
>Like I said, we'll have to disagree on this.
>
>I don't really consider the odd (read low volume) ad posting off-topic if
>the ad is selling 4x4 related stuff.
>
>Hardly overwhelmed with junk here are we?
>
I've just heard that the government is to issue Health warnings with
4X4s - because they cause accidents and pollution. It is to share ideas
and actions to counter this sort of crap that we need a newsgroup like
this which is not specific to any make of vehicle. If you don't like
someone's posts then KILL FILE them.
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting

hugh wrote:
> I've just heard that the government is to issue Health warnings with
> 4X4s - because they cause accidents and pollution.

You were misinformed.
--
Steve Loft

In article <[email protected]>, Mr.Nice wrote:
>
> PS, buy a land rover in the first place, you know you want to ;o)
>

I'm only on my first Landy, but I think I'm hooked good and proper!

Before that I had the Lada Niva for three years and very good it was too.

Coil sprung, permanent four wheel drive and a lockable centre diff. It's
what I used to get into laning and it coped very well. The only thing the
Niva lacked was ground clearance at the front due to the IFS setup.

As much as I liked it though it had to go when I could afford a 110. If
I'd had the space to park I would have kept it as it was a good fun car.

--
simon at sbarr dot demon dot co dot uk
Simon Barr.
'97 110 300Tdi.

Mr.Nice. wrote:

> PS, buy a land rover in the first place, you know you want to ;o)
>
>
> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)

I did! That's why I now drive a Toyota )

Ashley

Mr.Nice. wrote:

> I've never driven a Lada Niva but it looks OK on paper and I've known
> of them operating in some very hostile places.

I remember a chap trialling one in the AWDC back in the late 80s and he
did quite well in it. Ground clearance was a bit of a problem but he had
fitted bigger tyres to help.
>
> Personally I could be tempted by a mercedes G wagon, do they have
> portal axles like the unimog?

No. But they do have cross-axle difflocks, as has my Land Cruiser (only
on the rear axle on the Amazon, unlike my previous 80 series which had
them front and rear)

Ashley

"> I've just heard that the government is to issue Health warnings with
> 4X4s - because they cause accidents and pollution. It is to share ideas
> and actions to counter this sort of crap that we need a newsgroup like
> this which is not specific to any make of vehicle. If you don't like
> someone's posts then KILL FILE them.
> --

Hugh

I am sure a lot of people would prefer that it was he government but its
these muppets here
http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/news_4x4HealthWarning.aspx

David - Milton Keynes
www.caravantravels.co.uk
Details of our Caravan Travels in the UK and Europe with help and advice and
site reports
For Grand Prix Fans www.donkeydoesf1.co.uk

Toyota is the best, Land Rover sadly don't even come close, my new 90XS
Defender was taken away on a transporter yesterday after 2,000 miles due to
brake failure, but I will still always have a Defender around, can't get
them out of my blood.
Andy.
"AshleyJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mr.Nice. wrote:
>
> > PS, buy a land rover in the first place, you know you want to ;o)
> >
> >
> > Regards.
> > Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
>
> I did! That's why I now drive a Toyota )
>
> Ashley

Andy Sargeant wrote:

> Toyota is the best, Land Rover sadly don't even come close, my new 90XS
> Defender was taken away on a transporter yesterday after 2,000 miles due
> to brake failure, but I will still always have a Defender around, can't
> get them out of my blood.

You're just buying the wrong age of Land Rover )

Hate to say it, but in my notsohumble opinion the 200TDI Discovery is the
best motor Land Rover ever made and I'll put it up against anything from
any of the other mainstream manufacturers.

I just like the way there's nothing on it that can't be fixed with a fairly
basic toolbox and time, the fact that it's a pretty damn comfortable car
and its road manners are pretty good (better than most of the saloons I've
ever owned) and its offroad ability is well up there with the best of them.

The combination of good road manners, excellent offroading, comfort and sod
all critical electronics (the clock and radio are the only factory fit
electronics in this thing) make it a wonderful car for me.

I've owned other 4x4s, but I still prefer the Discovery over all of them.

I started on a Ford Maverick which was fun, but had no refinement
whatsoever. Later I got an SJ410 which was fun and had negative refinement.
The Lada Niva was similar.

The TD5 Discovery I owned was a nasty piece of **** - too dependant on the
electronics which went wrong at the worst possible time - ABS refusing to
let you stop is a killer - quite literally. The Range Rover Classic I had
was a bit crude and a bit thirsty albeit fixable with a sledgehammer if
anything went wrong. The S3 Landie I've got just now is fun in a vaguely
masochistic way, but has no refinement whatsoever.

I've tried the Toyotas and just don't get on with them - I find the Land
Cruiser GA to be a flaming boat to drive and I've been behind enough of
them getting stuck offroad when I've just poddled on in my Disco that I
wouldn't use them for that for preference.

For my money the only other car which comes close (in my book) to the
Discovery for being a good all rounder and simple to fix is the late
80s/early 90s G-Wagen, and they are too damn expensive.

P.

--
If Mind over Matter is a Matter of Course
Does it Matter if Nobody Minds?

David_LLAMA4x4 <[email protected]> wrote:

> Perhaps you are right

There's no "perhaps" about it.

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

In message <[email protected]>, David
klyne <david@davidklyne.?.com.invalid> writes

>I am sure a lot of people would prefer that it was he government but its
>these muppets here
>http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/news_4x4HealthWarning.aspx
>
>David - Milton Keynes
>www.caravantravels.co.uk

Good God where have you been hiding???

--
Regards
Graham Jones

In message <[email protected]>, David_LLAMA4x4
<[email protected]> writes

> I am an offroader that happens to have chosen LR

You're classing a Llama as a LR????


--
Regards
Graham Jones
(whoops, runs and put's on my flameproof clothing!)

> At last something we agree on !!!!!!!!

We haven't disagreed. I think you are mistaking me for a different Steve.

-- Steve