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DanClarke · Sunday at 10:04

Morning All.

Only 28 more days till my birthday, get your thinking caps on and your cheque books out.

I teased my missus yesterday by saying that on that day I would be 72.
"No you won't" she said "your are the same age as me you will be Seventy".
Ahh, I said yes you are Seventy, but on that day I will be Seventy too. (72).
Puzzled look for a moment then it dawned on her.
Have a lovely day!

kevstar · Sunday at 10:55

Stanleysteamer said:
I've contacted the plumber re the paperwork for the pump as he took off without leaving it for me, or the electrician.
View attachment 331026

This seems to the button you have to hold for 3 seconds to make stuff work, but nothing happens.
and here is the socket with three pins in it, with nothing stuck into it.
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It is a UPS3 15-50/65 130 if that means anything to anyone.
I will have to have a dig on t'internet to see if I can get more info on it.

I'll take more pics tomoz and answer peeps questions tomoz, have had quite a busy day today as W has wanted to get a load of Xmas stuff done, like shopping,Xmas lights up, batteries found and tested, etc etc.

As always very grateful for all of you trying to help with this stoopid situation.

Found it..........https://www.bes.co.uk/grundfos-ups3-15-50-65-central-heating-circulator-23953/

kevstar · Sunday at 10:56

Hippo said:
Grundfos UPS3 15-50/65 130 Central Heating Circulating Pump

Introducing the Grundfos UPS3 circulator pump – this high-efficiency option is perfect for domestic heating systems with either variable or constant flow rate. The UPS3 is suitable as a standalone or integrated circulator pump in existing systems as a replacement, or in new heating systems.THREE...

www.toolstation.com

So did him....

Hippo · Sunday at 11:31

Left me washing oot over night. Fergettid to bring it in. It rained. Quick wash then in the tumble dryer.

DanClarke · Sunday at 13:06

@Stanleysteamer this sort of pump would have been fine for your system.

landowner · Sunday at 14:11

Hippo said:
Wot type of truck issit?

Tis the moonshine truck

1977 London Black cab FX4

landowner · Sunday at 14:13

Hippo said:
Yer gunner need to have a look inside it then.

Tis goin in the bin then, I'll get a proper wireless

Stanleysteamer · Sunday at 14:19

Turktowner said:
IIRC The nickle socket is for variants that has Pulse Width Modulation from a controller. You is just on and oft so shunt be an issue.
Also, some systems open the motorized valve fust which then signals the pump. Has you tried just running the pump from a three pin plug, is only three core and no Stanage is likely..
Best of luck with this Stan.

Cheers mate. I had thought of doing that. just to see if the pump works, but was waiting for the pump paperwork to see which way it should be wired before I did anything stoopid.
I have since heard back from the plumber and looked in the box of rubbish that luckily he left for me to throw away.
In the pump box was a tiny stoopid little booklet with pictograms showing how to install it etc. I was expecting a much bigger thing, so at least now I can check to see if he did wire it up right, as he didn't open the booklet. It came closed with a tiny bit of sellotape obviously designed so someone can tell if he read it or not!
So yes, I can see that it can be operated as a stand alone pump. With no secondary connection.
I think you may well be right about it being signalled from the motorised valve. I have kept the old motorised valve, which deffo worked with the system.
What he had trouble "getting" is that the old boiler only ever worked as "HW only" or "HW and CH", it could never do "CH only".
But, when we rented the place out, a tenant got a heating engineer in to piggy back to it a better programmer, as the old timer never worked. This worked fine and meant we could do stuff like turn it off at night etc automatically.
So I am concerned that this plumber was trying to make the motorised valve work to do the three choices when in fact it should only do the two.
Does that make sense?
I am massively grateful for all your help.

Dippypud · Sunday at 14:23

DanClarke said:
Morning All.
Only 28 more days till my birthday, get your thinking caps on and your cheque books out.
I teased my missus yesterday by saying that on that day I would be 72.
"No you won't" she said "your are the same age as me you will be Seventy".
Ahh, I said yes you are Seventy, but on that day I will be Seventy too. (72).
Puzzled look for a moment then it dawned on her.
Have a lovely day!

18 days till my birthday ...

Dippypud · Sunday at 14:25

The UN envoy to the UK completed his report on cost of living and child poverty in the UK...
The report was blocked, delay but when eventually came out clearly showed the UK was in crisis and the Tories said it was all crap. THAT WAS IN 2018-2019 (report out in 2020) BEFORE COVID AND UKRAINE so no blame can be passed onto those...

Stanleysteamer · Sunday at 14:27

Hippo said:
Grundfos UPS3 15-50/65 130 Central Heating Circulating Pump

Introducing the Grundfos UPS3 circulator pump – this high-efficiency option is perfect for domestic heating systems with either variable or constant flow rate. The UPS3 is suitable as a standalone or integrated circulator pump in existing systems as a replacement, or in new heating systems.THREE...

www.toolstation.com

Thanks for this and the other stuff you have found for me.
I was just about to go and freeze in the office so I could work on this undisturbed so you have saved me a lot of time.
As it says in the heading to the link, and having since found the installation instructions in the box, which are pants and not as good as the manual you found for me, thanks again, it can work as a standalone.
It is pretty obvious he has wired it up wrong, and I think I know why. It will not be the pump wiring , I doubt, though I still have to check it, it'll be the motorised valve, as i just explained to @Turktowner
Hopefully by Tuesday eve we will be back to normal!
Thanks again mate!

Stanleysteamer · Sunday at 14:30

Hippo said:
Ups3 manwell

https://api.grundfos.com/literature/Grundfosliterature-6014815.pdf

So grateful for this, mate!

Stanleysteamer · Sunday at 14:32

DanClarke said:
That pump will never run in your system I think.
It is looking for a control signal to arrive on those pins in that connector. Your system doesn't do that.
Your system is a simpler power on/off type. That pump has permanent power and a separate control signal.
Oops!

Thanks to the help from others on here, plus eventually finding the installation instructions, it can operate stand alone.
It is another problem elsewhere, which I have an inkling about but which I will confirm back to you all once it is sorted out.

Stanleysteamer · Sunday at 14:39

kevstar said:
Found it..........https://www.bes.co.uk/grundfos-ups3-15-50-65-central-heating-circulator-23953/

Thanks mate, everyone is being so helpful. I just didn't get up till midday and by then you had done all this for me.

Stanleysteamer · Sunday at 14:40

kevstar said:
Found it..........https://www.bes.co.uk/grundfos-ups3-15-50-65-central-heating-circulator-23953/

Stanleysteamer · Sunday at 14:43

DanClarke said:
@Stanleysteamer this sort of pump would have been fine for your system.

Ta mate.

That is one I too had seen when I was thinking about doing the job myself.
No doubt the Grundfoss is the Rolls Royce of pumps, and will see both of us out, not that we care much, as the one you found would do us just as well bearing in mind our ages, I am only 2 months behind you!

Hippo · Sunday at 14:45

Got me washing dry. Me squirrel had 25 nuts this morning. Nother one ate 2 wiv me watching and ran oft wiv a third.

Stanleysteamer · Sunday at 14:45

Dippypud said:
18 days till my birthday ...

Many happy returns in advance! XXX

Hippo · Sunday at 14:52

We fink its edgars burfday this month. He will be 3. But not 3 cos we gorrim in 2019 but had to replace him when he died. He were borned before we gorrim but we dun't know when. So we is calling it 3 to be safe.

marjon · Sunday at 14:55

Stanleysteamer said:
I think you may well be right about it being signalled from the motorised valve. I have kept the old motorised valve, which deffo worked with the system.
What he had trouble "getting" is that the old boiler only ever worked as "HW only" or "HW and CH", it could never do "CH only".
But, when we rented the place out, a tenant got a heating engineer in to piggy back to it a better programmer, as the old timer never worked. This worked fine and meant we could do stuff like turn it off at night etc automatically.
So I am concerned that this plumber was trying to make the motorised valve work to do the three choices when in fact it should only do the two.

So I am by no means a plumberdear but

.

So do you have a 3way motorized valve or 2? How many pipes?
So you have had another "stanner" come in and work on it?
So what controller do you have?
You now cant fire up up boiler, why?

I really don't understand how this has got from a system (sort of working) to a system that doesn't do anything.

J

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