Q's regarding Suspension for Suzuki Sierra

ant · Nov 1, 2003

Trentus wrote:
> "ant" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>> Have you discussed options with the guys at kaos 4X4 in Belconnen?
>> They specialise in doing dreadful things to Sierras...especially
>> going by the photos on the wall!
>
> Yep, that's who does all my Suzuki work.

ah, you are probably the one who told me about them! Jeez I'm glad I'm onto
them anyway. Vitey's running SO well!

> I got the impression he didn't believe I was seriously
> going to get it done.

chuckle.

> as the
> labour portion was going to be around $800. Which is enough to pay
> for a Bull-bar.

eek. I got a TJM cast iron one for Vitey, mind you it was a few years back,
and it was around 300, from memory. It has done a good job, keeping the
roos and cyclists out of my engine.

>I will however continue to use them for as much as
> possible, they've been very good to me so far.

Agree. I like their dog, too. (the receptionist).
If you can do it yourself/with mate, then that's a better option, use the
money for something else.

> And as I've barely had the money to do the most basic things, to come
> in and ask for a quote on $7grand worth of mods would have left them
> a little sceptical I suspect.

That's rather funny!

ant

Ron McGrice · Nov 1, 2003

"ant" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Ron McGrice wrote:
>> "mudgutz" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> yeah ron knows heaps about 4wding.......LOL>>>>>>NOT
>>> "Pete" <nospam@petewoz-ear> wrote in message
>>
>> I know stuff all about Asian "Off road so called" vehicles, and
>> freely admit it.
>>
>> However I've been driving REAL 4WD vehicles long before you were born
>>

>
> Like those Discos and Rangies my Vitara passes, as they're struggling
> around in the carpark that has 6 whole inches of snow in? The Vitara
> and I are pretty unimpressed with those English "off road so called"
> vehicles. Hell, they can't even cope on-road, if there's snow on it.
>
> ant

Never driven them, SII, SIII and 110 Landies yes, WWII Ford V8 4X4 SWB
Blitz yes, learnt to drive in one. Fancy ones, NO!

rnf2 · Nov 1, 2003

"ant" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Toby Ponsenby wrote:
> > RAV 4 drives like, feels like - is Front Wheel Drive, sort of.
>
> Are Ravs front wheel drive? Yuck. That's one thing I really like about the
> Vitara, it's rear wheel drive. I've been tootling around in the family
> Peugeot 406 this last week, and the front wheel drive feel bloody awful in
> aggressive cornering.
>
> ant
>
I understand RAVs are optional 4WD, the computers onboard sense a loss of
traction and click in the rear, unfortunately if it's reached a position
where it needs it, it's usually so far stuck two extra wheels don't do much.

rhys

Toby Ponsenby · Nov 1, 2003

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 13:35:00 +1100, ant spake thussly:

> Are Ravs front wheel drive? Yuck. That's one thing I really like about the
> Vitara, it's rear wheel drive. I've been tootling around in the family
> Peugeot 406 this last week, and the front wheel drive feel bloody awful in
> aggressive cornering.
>
> ant

Toyota claim AWD, even Four WD. But they're heavily torque biased to front.
Which IMO makes them a JOKE.
They'd probably be a good thing if they had the bias reversed.

--
Toby

quidquid latine dictum
sit, altum viditur

Rainbow Warrior · Nov 1, 2003

ant <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> rnf2 wrote:

>
> and they're sold with totally highway tyres, they know what their market
is.
> I love those crappy little nudge bars people put on them...to help with
> parking in those Westfield carparks, I suppose.
>
> ant

Protection from all the dickheads in cars that can't keep control at parking
speeds.

--
Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200

Rainbow Warrior · Nov 1, 2003

Ron McGrice <Newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "mudgutz" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > yeah ron knows heaps about 4wding.......LOL>>>>>>NOT
> > "Pete" <nospam@petewoz-ear> wrote in message
>
> I know stuff all about Asian "Off road so called" vehicles, and freely
> admit it.
>
> However I've been driving REAL 4WD vehicles long before you were born

And a Patrol or Landcruiser isn't a REAL 4WD?
You need to visit some offroad comps.
I've had a Landrover & Rangie and changed with bloody good reasons, got
better things to do than adjust brakes/replace oil seals & gearboxes/diffs.

--
Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200

Rainbow Warrior · Nov 1, 2003

Ron McGrice <Newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "ant" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > Ron McGrice wrote:
> >> "mudgutz" <[email protected]> wrote in
> >> news:[email protected]:
> >>
> >>> yeah ron knows heaps about 4wding.......LOL>>>>>>NOT
> >>> "Pete" <nospam@petewoz-ear> wrote in message
> >>
> >> I know stuff all about Asian "Off road so called" vehicles, and
> >> freely admit it.
> >>
> >> However I've been driving REAL 4WD vehicles long before you were born
> >>

> >
> > Like those Discos and Rangies my Vitara passes, as they're struggling
> > around in the carpark that has 6 whole inches of snow in? The Vitara
> > and I are pretty unimpressed with those English "off road so called"
> > vehicles. Hell, they can't even cope on-road, if there's snow on it.
> >
> > ant
>
> Never driven them, SII, SIII and 110 Landies yes, WWII Ford V8 4X4 SWB
> Blitz yes, learnt to drive in one. Fancy ones, NO!

Coils springs have been discovered

--
Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200

Rainbow Warrior · Nov 1, 2003

Ron McGrice <Newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> "rnf2" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> On the subject of little Suzi 4wd's, I wonder if anyone has tried
> putting a Mazda rotary in one?
>
> Apart from the scream of a vacuum cleaner and howling gears, the extra
> revs should provide a higher cruising speed, although I'd still
> recommend ear muffs

>
> Ron

Yep, rocket on the road, useless for bottom end torque, the one I saw on the
beach was reving it's nut off to keep moving in the soft sand.
I've seen plenty of the standard motors screaming in the mud past the 8000
mark on the tacho.
The standard motor doesn't lack top end, bottom end is the problem, my mates
was great when he put in a towing cam, and then just shoved bigger tyres
under it.

--
Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200

Rainbow Warrior · Nov 1, 2003

Toby Ponsenby <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 31 Oct 2003 22:32:23 GMT, Ron McGrice spake thussly:
>
> > "rnf2" <[email protected]> wrote in
> > news:[email protected]:
> >
> > On the subject of little Suzi 4wd's, I wonder if anyone has tried
> > putting a Mazda rotary in one?
> >
> > Apart from the scream of a vacuum cleaner and howling gears, the extra
> > revs should provide a higher cruising speed, although I'd still
> > recommend ear muffs

> >
> > Ron
>
> That was a popular conversion used on the two stroke early suzies, and it
> spilled into the four stroke models for a while. A lot of those became RWD
> cars at that stage.
> Worked well.
> --
> Toby

Providing you only wanted road use and didn't intend on carrying any load
through soft sand.

--
Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200

kevcat · Nov 1, 2003

Wrong!!

the plastic bumpers don't have the strength to hold the spotties, you
need spottied in case you fall asleep at the picnic park in the outer
suburbs and it's dark when you head home

Kev

Rainbow Warrior wrote:
>
> ant <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > rnf2 wrote:
>
> >
> > and they're sold with totally highway tyres, they know what their market
> is.
> > I love those crappy little nudge bars people put on them...to help with
> > parking in those Westfield carparks, I suppose.
> >
> > ant
>
> Protection from all the dickheads in cars that can't keep control at parking
> speeds.

>
> --
> Pat
> Brisbane, Australia
> http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
> Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.
>
> VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
> GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200

Ron McGrice · Nov 1, 2003

"Rainbow Warrior" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>>
>> However I've been driving REAL 4WD vehicles long before you were born
>>

>
> And a Patrol or Landcruiser isn't a REAL 4WD?

Jap Crap!

> You need to visit some offroad comps.

Er no thanks, spent TOO much time in the bush as is, Motels and a hot
shower sound more appealing

> I've had a Landrover & Rangie and changed with bloody good reasons,
> got better things to do than adjust brakes/replace oil seals &
> gearboxes/diffs.

Good stuff eh, at least you knew the Rovers were servicable.

Ron

Ron McGrice · Nov 1, 2003

"Rainbow Warrior" <[email protected]> wrote in news:9wMob.934$xL4.20504
@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au:

>>
>> Never driven them, SII, SIII and 110 Landies yes, WWII Ford V8 4X4 SWB
>> Blitz yes, learnt to drive in one. Fancy ones, NO!
>
> Coils springs have been discovered

Yes Pat, 110, Rangies and Unimogs all had them

Tony Smith · Nov 1, 2003

"Ron McGrice" <Newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > And a Patrol or Landcruiser isn't a REAL 4WD?
>
> Jap Crap!
>
> > I've had a Landrover & Rangie and changed with bloody good reasons,
> > got better things to do than adjust brakes/replace oil seals &
> > gearboxes/diffs.
>
> Good stuff eh, at least you knew the Rovers were servicable.
>

Now what is that smell?
Ah! a fully grown Usenet Troll, the odour is unmistakeable.....

What happens if we don't feed it?

Tony Smith

Ron McGrice · Nov 2, 2003

"Tony Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in news:newscache
[email protected]:

Your a new one, hang on this is a cross posting

Lol, Jap 4WD owner right

Poor bugger, no taste

>
> "Ron McGrice" <Newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> > And a Patrol or Landcruiser isn't a REAL 4WD?
>>
>> Jap Crap!
>>
>> > I've had a Landrover & Rangie and changed with bloody good reasons,
>> > got better things to do than adjust brakes/replace oil seals &
>> > gearboxes/diffs.
>>
>> Good stuff eh, at least you knew the Rovers were servicable.
>>
>
>
> Now what is that smell?
> Ah! a fully grown Usenet Troll, the odour is unmistakeable.....
>
> What happens if we don't feed it?
>
>
> Tony Smith
>
>
>

rnf2 · Nov 2, 2003

Rangies use Whoope Cushions... They've got Air suspension...

rhys

"Ron McGrice" <Newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> "Rainbow Warrior" <[email protected]> wrote in news:9wMob.934$xL4.20504
> @nnrp1.ozemail.com.au:
>
> >>
> >> Never driven them, SII, SIII and 110 Landies yes, WWII Ford V8 4X4 SWB
> >> Blitz yes, learnt to drive in one. Fancy ones, NO!
> >
> > Coils springs have been discovered

>
> Yes Pat, 110, Rangies and Unimogs all had them

Ron McGrice · Nov 2, 2003

"rnf2" <[email protected]> wrote in
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I think you will find that is only the upmarket ones.

> Rangies use Whoope Cushions... They've got Air suspension...
>
> rhys
>
> "Ron McGrice" <Newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Rainbow Warrior" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:9wMob.934$xL4.20504 @nnrp1.ozemail.com.au:
>>
>> >>
>> >> Never driven them, SII, SIII and 110 Landies yes, WWII Ford V8 4X4
>> >> SWB Blitz yes, learnt to drive in one. Fancy ones, NO!
>> >
>> > Coils springs have been discovered

>>
>> Yes Pat, 110, Rangies and Unimogs all had them

>
>
>

Toby Ponsenby · Nov 2, 2003

On 2 Nov 2003 02:15:15 GMT, Ron McGrice spake thussly:

> "rnf2" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> I think you will find that is only the upmarket ones.
>
>> Rangies use Whoope Cushions... They've got Air suspension...
>>
>> rhys
>>
>> "Ron McGrice" <Newsguy.com> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "Rainbow Warrior" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:9wMob.934$xL4.20504 @nnrp1.ozemail.com.au:
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Never driven them, SII, SIII and 110 Landies yes, WWII Ford V8 4X4
>>> >> SWB Blitz yes, learnt to drive in one. Fancy ones, NO!
>>> >
>>> > Coils springs have been discovered

>>>
>>> Yes Pat, 110, Rangies and Unimogs all had them

>>
>>
>>

Bbbwwaaahaha!
There's a downmarket rangie?
Please explain?
--
Toby
Q: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
A: Why is top posting frowned upon?

adam_c · Nov 2, 2003

They have Ron. There's a few web sites in America where people have tried
that with great success. The problem was the exhaust clearance to the
steering box, but that's their problem for sitting on the wrong side of the
car anyway!!

Adam

"Ron McGrice" <Newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "rnf2" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> On the subject of little Suzi 4wd's, I wonder if anyone has tried
> putting a Mazda rotary in one?
>
> Apart from the scream of a vacuum cleaner and howling gears, the extra
> revs should provide a higher cruising speed, although I'd still
> recommend ear muffs

>
> Ron
>
> >
> > "Trentus" <[email protected]> wrote
> >
> >> Its for brilliant suggestions like this that I come here.
> >> There's always someone out there who's smarter than the average bear.
> >>
> >> Thanks Rhys.
> >> Trentus
> >>
> >>
> > You're welcome, It just seemed like a simple common sense approach, I
> > suppose so few drive cars now dating back to the days when Metric was
> > taking over from Imperial and new cars came marked in both, Here in NZ
> > that was the early 70's and just how many drive early 70's NZ new
> > cars?
> >
> > not a lot I guess... lol
> >
> > Besides which, I can't afford a GPS speedo and being broke leads to
> > thinking sideways to get you car going again...
> >
> > rhys
> >
> >
> >
>

Rainbow Warrior · Nov 2, 2003

kevcat <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Wrong!!
>
> the plastic bumpers don't have the strength to hold the spotties, you
> need spottied in case you fall asleep at the picnic park in the outer
> suburbs and it's dark when you head home
>
> Kev

I meant the chrome nudge bars actually.

--
Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200

> Rainbow Warrior wrote:
> >
> > ant <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > rnf2 wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > and they're sold with totally highway tyres, they know what their
market
> > is.
> > > I love those crappy little nudge bars people put on them...to help
with
> > > parking in those Westfield carparks, I suppose.
> > >
> > > ant
> >
> > Protection from all the dickheads in cars that can't keep control at
parking
> > speeds.

> >
> > --
> > Pat
> > Brisbane, Australia
> > http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
> > Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.
> >
> > VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
> > GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200
> Wrong!!
>
> the plastic bumpers don't have the strength to hold the spotties, you
> need spottied in case you fall asleep at the picnic park in the outer
> suburbs and it's dark when you head home
>
> Kev
>
> Rainbow Warrior wrote:
> >
> > ant <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > rnf2 wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > and they're sold with totally highway tyres, they know what their
market
> > is.
> > > I love those crappy little nudge bars people put on them...to help
with
> > > parking in those Westfield carparks, I suppose.
> > >
> > > ant
> >
> > Protection from all the dickheads in cars that can't keep control at
parking
> > speeds.

> >
> > --
> > Pat
> > Brisbane, Australia
> > http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
> > Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.
> >
> > VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300
> Wrong!!
>
> the plastic bumpers don't have the strength to hold the spotties, you
> need spottied in case you fall asleep at the picnic park in the outer
> suburbs and it's dark when you head home
>
> Kev
>
> Rainbow Warrior wrote:
> >
> > ant <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > rnf2 wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > and they're sold with totally highway tyres, they know what their
market
> > is.
> > > I love those crappy little nudge bars people put on them...to help
with
> > > parking in those Westfield carparks, I suppose.
> > >
> > > ant
> >
> > Protection from all the dickheads in cars that can't keep control at
parking
> > speeds.

> >
> > --
> > Pat
> > Brisbane, Australia
> > http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
> > Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.
> >
> > VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300
> Rainbow Warrior wrote:
> >
> > ant <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > rnf2 wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > and they're sold with totally highway tyres, they know what their
market
> > is.
> > > I love those crappy little nudge bars people put on them...to help
with
> > > parking in those Westfield carparks, I suppose.
> > >
> > > ant
> >
> > Protection from all the dickheads in cars that can't keep control at
parking
> > speeds.