Q's regarding Suspension for Suzuki Sierra

"Ron McGrice" <Newsguy.com> wrote in message
>
> I'm not talking about trucks
> I'm talking about crappy tinny asian cars, not to mention their
fugly 4wds.

What a pathetic rant. The Brits and the Yanks have been playing
catch-up on the build quality, reliability, spec levels and value
for money of Jap vehicles for over 20 years. They're only just
starting to close the gap now.

Ever wonder why the vast majority of mining companies, high car
companies, pastoralists, government departments, etc use jap 4WDs?

Nah - didn't think so.

Rob

> Ever wonder why the vast majority of mining companies, high car
> companies, pastoralists, government departments, etc use jap 4WDs?

Oops. That should have said "hire". A case of brain lagging behind
fingers.

"OptusNET News" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Great to see your thread on Sierra suspension never got hijacked Trentus
;-)

LOL

Trentus

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:31:19 GMT, "Trentus" <[email protected]> wrote:

>One of the first mods I want is to raise it to get room under there for some
>decent tyres, and I want to improve the lousy suspension that comes stock
>standard on a Suzuki Sierra (Samurai in US).

For around 200 bucks, you could simple reset the springs at a spring works, to
give a one or two inch lift. It does make quite an improvement, and is cheap.



cheers,

Paul Saccani
Perth West Australia

Ron McGrice <Newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> kevcat <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
> >> I know you like those Jap 4WD, for some reason I cannot bring myself to
> >> even consider an Asian vehicle!
> >
> > Geez thats as bad as the dumb truckies who will only drive a truck that
> > has a "KW" badge on it
> > totally out of date, uncomfortable, noisy, aerodynamics of a block of
> > units, unsafe cabs, crap ergonomics and made in the US
> > they won't even consider driving a European truck which is just the
> > opposite and has just as much power
> >
> > this sort of backward thinking is why we are still stuck with drum
> > brakes and cabs that offer no protection in a crash
> >
> > Kev
>
> I'm not talking about trucks
> I'm talking about crappy tinny asian cars, not to mention their fugly
4wds.

And the body of a 110 defender is sexy?

--
Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200

"Rainbow Warrior" <[email protected]> wrote

> > >> I know you like those Jap 4WD, for some reason I cannot bring myself
to
> > >> even consider an Asian vehicle!
> > >
> > > Geez thats as bad as the dumb truckies who will only drive a truck
that
> > > has a "KW" badge on it
> > > totally out of date, uncomfortable, noisy, aerodynamics of a block of
> > > units, unsafe cabs, crap ergonomics and made in the US
> > > they won't even consider driving a European truck which is just the
> > > opposite and has just as much power
> > >
> > > this sort of backward thinking is why we are still stuck with drum
> > > brakes and cabs that offer no protection in a crash
> > >
> > > Kev
> >
> > I'm not talking about trucks
> > I'm talking about crappy tinny asian cars, not to mention their fugly
> 4wds.
>
> And the body of a 110 defender is sexy?
>
> --

At least it looks like an Offroader, not like a Supermarket Warriors
soapbubble on big tyres.

rhys

rnf2 <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Rainbow Warrior" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > > >> I know you like those Jap 4WD, for some reason I cannot bring
myself
> to
> > > >> even consider an Asian vehicle!
> > > >
> > > > Geez thats as bad as the dumb truckies who will only drive a truck
> that
> > > > has a "KW" badge on it
> > > > totally out of date, uncomfortable, noisy, aerodynamics of a block
of
> > > > units, unsafe cabs, crap ergonomics and made in the US
> > > > they won't even consider driving a European truck which is just the
> > > > opposite and has just as much power
> > > >
> > > > this sort of backward thinking is why we are still stuck with drum
> > > > brakes and cabs that offer no protection in a crash
> > > >
> > > > Kev
> > >
> > > I'm not talking about trucks
> > > I'm talking about crappy tinny asian cars, not to mention their fugly
> > 4wds.
> >
> > And the body of a 110 defender is sexy?
>
> At least it looks like an Offroader, not like a Supermarket Warriors
> soapbubble on big tyres.
>
> rhys

Feels like an offroader too, your vertibrae feel like you're offroad even
when your not.

--
Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200

>
> rnf2 <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Rainbow Warrior" <[email protected]> wrote
> >
> > > > >> I know you like those Jap 4WD, for some reason I cannot bring
> myself
> > to
> > > > >> even consider an Asian vehicle!
> > > > >
> > > > > Geez thats as bad as the dumb truckies who will only drive a truck
> > that
> > > > > has a "KW" badge on it
> > > > > totally out of date, uncomfortable, noisy, aerodynamics of a block
> of
> > > > > units, unsafe cabs, crap ergonomics and made in the US
> > > > > they won't even consider driving a European truck which is just the
> > > > > opposite and has just as much power
> > > > >
> > > > > this sort of backward thinking is why we are still stuck with drum
> > > > > brakes and cabs that offer no protection in a crash
> > > > >
> > > > > Kev
> > > >
> > > > I'm not talking about trucks
> > > > I'm talking about crappy tinny asian cars, not to mention their fugly
> > > 4wds.
> > >
> > > And the body of a 110 defender is sexy?

At least it looks like an Offroader, not like a Supermarket Warriors
soapbubble on big tyres.

rhys


What does an Offroader look like??
so if it looks like a brick on big wheels it's an offroader
if it has a bit of style about it on big wheels it's not

what retarded thinking that is

it's 2003 now.....not 1963
stop living in the past, you can have style and comfort in a 4WD these
days

Kev

"kevcat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> > > > And the body of a 110 defender is sexy?
>
> At least it looks like an Offroader, not like a Supermarket Warriors
> soapbubble on big tyres.
>
> rhys
>
>
> What does an Offroader look like??
> so if it looks like a brick on big wheels it's an offroader
> if it has a bit of style about it on big wheels it's not
>
> what retarded thinking that is
>
> it's 2003 now.....not 1963
> stop living in the past, you can have style and comfort in a 4WD these
> days
>
> Kev

It's called asthetics dude. What I find pleasing to the eye you may loathe.

Hey, Dali sold a ****load of paintings for a ****load of cash, yet as far as
I'm concerned, most of his work looks like ****. and painted under the
influence of mindaltering drugs at that.

I'm a realist, others are cubists, or cubans, or impressionalists.

So what? it's personal preferance. I still prefer the Defenders looks, you
prefert he swoopy curvy modern soap-bubble look.

rhys

"rnf2" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> It's called asthetics dude. What I find pleasing to the eye you
may loathe.
>
> Hey, Dali sold a ****load of paintings for a ****load of cash, yet
as far as
> I'm concerned, most of his work looks like ****. and painted under
the
> influence of mindaltering drugs at that.
>
> I'm a realist, others are cubists, or cubans, or impressionalists.
>
> So what? it's personal preferance. I still prefer the Defenders
looks, you
> prefert he swoopy curvy modern soap-bubble look.
>

If you like the look of the defender, then rather than a realist,
I'd say you're a cubist.

Rob

"Rob2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "rnf2" <[email protected]> wrote
> >
> > It's called asthetics dude. What I find pleasing to the eye you
> may loathe.
> >
> > Hey, Dali sold a ****load of paintings for a ****load of cash,
yet
> as far as
> > I'm concerned, most of his work looks like ****. and painted
under
> the
> > influence of mindaltering drugs at that.
> >
> > I'm a realist, others are cubists, or cubans, or
impressionalists.
> >
> > So what? it's personal preferance. I still prefer the Defenders
> looks, you
> > prefert he swoopy curvy modern soap-bubble look.
> >
>
> If you like the look of the defender, then rather than a realist,
> I'd say you're a cubist.
>

Pointlessly musing further on this theme, I'll offer the opinion
that if you like the new Pajero you'd have to be an impressionist.

If you squint your eyes at it, it sort of looks like a car.

Rob

> Pointlessly musing further on this theme, I'll offer the opinion
> that if you like the new Pajero you'd have to be an impressionist.
>
> If you squint your eyes at it, it sort of looks like a car.
>
> Rob

Hey, *I* like the new Pajero, but not the look, or the vehicle, or
anything else to do with on/off road driving.
I like the fact the last row of seats FOLDS INTO THE FLOOR!!!
Bloody brilliant idea. I'd only use them occassionally, and Patruiser system
of folding them up against the windows REALLLY is stupid.
Put the stupid things under the floor where I can get them immediately if I
need them, but don't have them cluttering up the storage space.

Pity the Pajero is a Bits-a-missing (and 2nd rate off-road compared to
Patruisers) I'd never buy one of their vehicles again after an 87 magna put
me off Bits-a-missing cars. I do like the DiD system, and the folding
seats, though but is that enough to convince me to buy? I seriously doubt
it.

Trentus

the new pajero is ****in ugly.....i like squarer trucks like the
defender/troopy a personal thing i think but there is no doubt that the
round soap bubblish trucks he talks about are aerodynamically superior to a
defender/troopy making them more fuel efficient and more quiet
"Rob2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Rob2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "rnf2" <[email protected]> wrote
> > >
> > > It's called asthetics dude. What I find pleasing to the eye you
> > may loathe.
> > >
> > > Hey, Dali sold a ****load of paintings for a ****load of cash,
> yet
> > as far as
> > > I'm concerned, most of his work looks like ****. and painted
> under
> > the
> > > influence of mindaltering drugs at that.
> > >
> > > I'm a realist, others are cubists, or cubans, or
> impressionalists.
> > >
> > > So what? it's personal preferance. I still prefer the Defenders
> > looks, you
> > > prefert he swoopy curvy modern soap-bubble look.
> > >
> >
> > If you like the look of the defender, then rather than a realist,
> > I'd say you're a cubist.
> >
>
> Pointlessly musing further on this theme, I'll offer the opinion
> that if you like the new Pajero you'd have to be an impressionist.
>
> If you squint your eyes at it, it sort of looks like a car.
>
> Rob
>
>

rnf2 <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "kevcat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > > > > And the body of a 110 defender is sexy?
> >
> > At least it looks like an Offroader, not like a Supermarket Warriors
> > soapbubble on big tyres.
> >
> > rhys
> >
> > What does an Offroader look like??
> > so if it looks like a brick on big wheels it's an offroader
> > if it has a bit of style about it on big wheels it's not
> >
> > what retarded thinking that is
> >
> > it's 2003 now.....not 1963
> > stop living in the past, you can have style and comfort in a 4WD these
> > days
> >
> > Kev
>
> It's called asthetics dude. What I find pleasing to the eye you may
loathe.
>
> Hey, Dali sold a ****load of paintings for a ****load of cash, yet as far
as
> I'm concerned, most of his work looks like ****. and painted under the
> influence of mindaltering drugs at that.
>
> I'm a realist, others are cubists, or cubans, or impressionalists.
>
> So what? it's personal preferance. I still prefer the Defenders looks, you
> prefert he swoopy curvy modern soap-bubble look.
>
> rhys

After you've vibrated yourself through 2000km of corrugations on the 90
degree angle parkbench seating of a Defender you will also learn about
ergonomics.

Yet another 4x4 expert who thinks Landcruisers & Patrols aren't capable or
reliable off road and thinks Landrovers are.

--
Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200

mudgutz <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> the new pajero is ****in ugly.....i like squarer trucks like the
> defender/troopy a personal thing i think but there is no doubt that the
> round soap bubblish trucks he talks about are aerodynamically superior to
a
> defender/troopy making them more fuel efficient and more quiet

Don't forget how important the shape of the body is to offroad ability
straight sides/windscreen etc stop them from falling over

> "Rob2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Rob2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "rnf2" <[email protected]> wrote
> > > >
> > > > It's called asthetics dude. What I find pleasing to the eye you
> > > may loathe.
> > > >
> > > > Hey, Dali sold a ****load of paintings for a ****load of cash,
> > yet
> > > as far as
> > > > I'm concerned, most of his work looks like ****. and painted
> > under
> > > the
> > > > influence of mindaltering drugs at that.
> > > >
> > > > I'm a realist, others are cubists, or cubans, or
> > impressionalists.
> > > >
> > > > So what? it's personal preferance. I still prefer the Defenders
> > > looks, you
> > > > prefert he swoopy curvy modern soap-bubble look.
> > > >
> > >
> > > If you like the look of the defender, then rather than a realist,
> > > I'd say you're a cubist.
> > >
> >
> > Pointlessly musing further on this theme, I'll offer the opinion
> > that if you like the new Pajero you'd have to be an impressionist.
> >
> > If you squint your eyes at it, it sort of looks like a car.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
>
>

"Rainbow Warrior" <[email protected]> wrote

> Yet another 4x4 expert who thinks Landcruisers & Patrols aren't capable or
> reliable off road and thinks Landrovers are.
>

Where did I say I don't think they're capable offroad? I said I don't like
their LOOKS.

And an Isuzu Bighorn can go anywhere the Patrol and Landcruisers can, I
drive a 2.8TD Bighorn and am Quite satisfied, While my friend with a Series
2 Landie can go many more places than another friend with a Patrol.

The Landie is more capable offroad. May not be as reliable, but it is easier
to fix on the trail.

rhys

rnf2 <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Rainbow Warrior" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > Yet another 4x4 expert who thinks Landcruisers & Patrols aren't capable
or
> > reliable off road and thinks Landrovers are.
>
> Where did I say I don't think they're capable offroad? I said I don't like
> their LOOKS.
>
> And an Isuzu Bighorn can go anywhere the Patrol and Landcruisers can, I
> drive a 2.8TD Bighorn and am Quite satisfied, While my friend with a
Series
> 2 Landie can go many more places than another friend with a Patrol.
>
> The Landie is more capable offroad. May not be as reliable, but it is
easier
> to fix on the trail.
>
> rhys

Having owned a S2A Landog with a Lockrite & Range Rover with an air locker,
I can honestly say my Patrol with factory LSD craps all over them. Nothing
wrong with a GQ Patrols looks IMO, especially after you chop the back off.

I'll rather spend my time camping drinking rather than replacing axles.

Pat
Brisbane, Australia
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~mangey/
Who needs lockers when you got secondaries.

VH4000-> CL3500/4300-> GH2600-> S2A2300/3000->
GJ1600/2000->RR3500/3900 ->GQ4200

"rnf2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> The Landie is more capable offroad. May not be as reliable, but it is
easier
> to fix on the trail.
>

Please define what you mean as "capable".

Do you mean that a Landrover will go places that a more modern 4wd will not?
Quite frankly unless you are applying the discount factor that most people
will tend to be a little more "careless" of something that they don't have a
huge investment in (I personally never worried too much about the odd bent
guard on my Landrovers) I think you are living in a fantasy.

But, if you can give actual examples of this enhanced capability, I'd be
grateful.


Also, what do you mean when you say "is easier to fix on the trail"?

From my perspective of owning series Landrovers and now more modern 4wds I'm
a little perplexed.

Do you mean that you carry less tools to fix a Landrover?
My memory of trying to fix a stuck in gear Fairey Overdrive by the side of a
trail is that you need SAE, Whitworth and the odd BSF spanners and sockets
just to get the mongrels apart.

Or that less things stuff up on them?
May I have some of what you are smoking please.....

Or that for some magical reason Landies are easier to work on than more
modern equipment?
This may in fact have some merit, Landrovers are unencumbered by much in the
way of sophisticated electrics, mechanics or pneumatics....

I have to be honest and say that my memory of Landrovers was that you could
in fact fix the 100s of little things that tended to **** up every time you
went off road, but that the same 100s of little things just don't happen on
more modern equipment.

I've never had the driveshaft "pop" out of a Landcruiser after a bit of a
bump, nor have I ever even found such an instrument of the devil as an SU
fuel pump on Jap 4WD (and before anyone jumps, if you have a 69 wagon with
factory dual tanks and factory rear tank, you get 2 of the bastards) nor
have I had windshields pop out, centrebolts break on springs and I have
never broken an axle in anything other than a Landrover.

Likewise I've never had to stop and put the retainers and springs back onto
Japanese brake shoes, nor rebuild swivel joints by the light of the moon....

And please, don't even get me started on Landrover electrics. One of the
reasons I bought a diesel for my second Landrover was to at least partially
free myself from the clutches of the old Joe Lucas.......

Little did I realise that his disciples at CAV had just as many tricks up
their dirty little sleeves in their abomination of a injection pump.....



Tony Smith

mudz is laughing with tony.................my mate warrens front prop shaft
fell out and **** itself (bounced on rocks and ****ed the splinning) on
sunday.......series 2 landie.......what a piece of **** and the friggin
thing wont go where my troopy will even when the things not broken
"Tony Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "rnf2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > The Landie is more capable offroad. May not be as reliable, but it is
> easier
> > to fix on the trail.
> >
>
> Please define what you mean as "capable".
>
> Do you mean that a Landrover will go places that a more modern 4wd will
not?
> Quite frankly unless you are applying the discount factor that most people
> will tend to be a little more "careless" of something that they don't have
a
> huge investment in (I personally never worried too much about the odd bent
> guard on my Landrovers) I think you are living in a fantasy.
>
> But, if you can give actual examples of this enhanced capability, I'd be
> grateful.
>
>
> Also, what do you mean when you say "is easier to fix on the trail"?
>
> From my perspective of owning series Landrovers and now more modern 4wds
I'm
> a little perplexed.
>
> Do you mean that you carry less tools to fix a Landrover?
> My memory of trying to fix a stuck in gear Fairey Overdrive by the side of
a
> trail is that you need SAE, Whitworth and the odd BSF spanners and sockets
> just to get the mongrels apart.
>
> Or that less things stuff up on them?
> May I have some of what you are smoking please.....
>
> Or that for some magical reason Landies are easier to work on than more
> modern equipment?
> This may in fact have some merit, Landrovers are unencumbered by much in
the
> way of sophisticated electrics, mechanics or pneumatics....
>
> I have to be honest and say that my memory of Landrovers was that you
could
> in fact fix the 100s of little things that tended to **** up every time
you
> went off road, but that the same 100s of little things just don't happen
on
> more modern equipment.
>
> I've never had the driveshaft "pop" out of a Landcruiser after a bit of a
> bump, nor have I ever even found such an instrument of the devil as an SU
> fuel pump on Jap 4WD (and before anyone jumps, if you have a 69 wagon with
> factory dual tanks and factory rear tank, you get 2 of the bastards) nor
> have I had windshields pop out, centrebolts break on springs and I have
> never broken an axle in anything other than a Landrover.
>
> Likewise I've never had to stop and put the retainers and springs back
onto
> Japanese brake shoes, nor rebuild swivel joints by the light of the
moon....
>
> And please, don't even get me started on Landrover electrics. One of the
> reasons I bought a diesel for my second Landrover was to at least
partially
> free myself from the clutches of the old Joe Lucas.......
>
> Little did I realise that his disciples at CAV had just as many tricks up
> their dirty little sleeves in their abomination of a injection pump.....
>
>
>
> Tony Smith
>
>

"Tony Smith" <[email protected]> wrote

> Please define what you mean as "capable".
>
Most modern SUVs have IFS, which translates as less front axle articulation
and less mobility.
The soft top Landie (the ones i prefer) is lighter and hence easier to winch
around. making it easier to get out of problems.
The Landie final drive ratio is generally lower than the modern SUVs,
providing better low range use.
>
> Also, what do you mean when you say "is easier to fix on the trail"?
>
If your EFI goes on the trail in a modern SUV, or any electric control
modules, you're pretty well stuffed. with a Landie there are no such
electronics, if something goes wrong you don't need a computer science
degree to fix it on the spot.

simplicty is a virtue when 100Km+ from the nearest garage.

As to breaking axles and drivetrain compodents, doesn't your mange rover
have a V8? thats far more torque than nessesary, a Holden straight six has
all the power you need, and no computers to go south on you, while not
producing surplus torque to make pretzels of your axle.
>
> Tony Smith
>
>