Coil springs or not coil springs

wammers · Dec 26, 2018

urena said:
was it change from bags to coil springs. reason I said no.

Ok yep i agree. Might help if you answer a specific post for answer context.

urena · Dec 26, 2018

wammers said:
The classic Range rover is nothing like as good as the P38. And yes i do say so.

they are a lot less trouble than a p38 with a 300tdi they are basic and bomb proof just tend to rot

jamesmartin · Dec 26, 2018

wammers said:
What some will do for money. Have a good one matey.

a lot of p38s arent worth the hassle,its a relatively cheap permanent solution

wammers · Dec 26, 2018

urena said:
they are a lot less trouble than a p38 with a 300tdi they are basic and bomb proof just tend to rot

Nothing like as good a drive as the P38 though. P38s are easy to maintain IF you know what you are doing. Main problem with P38 is people who don't have a clue what they are doing trying to repair them.

wammers · Dec 26, 2018

jamesmartin said:
a lot of p38s arent worth the hassle,its a relatively cheap permanent solution

I would say that if you know what you are about, you can repair the EAS to full working order for around the same price or less than the cost of a coil set and the cost of paying someone to fit it.

jamesmartin · Dec 26, 2018

wammers said:
I would say that if you know what you are about, you can repair the EAS to full working order for around the same price or less than the of a coil set and the cost of paying someone to fit it.

you might most cant

wammers · Dec 26, 2018

jamesmartin said:
you might most cant

If you have an EAS system that is working and then stops working, it's usually down to a leak causing the compressor to fail. That is quite an easy fix. Not everything fails at once. To go to a garage and be told fitting coils is best option is criminal.

jamesmartin · Dec 26, 2018

wammers said:
If you have an EAS system that is working and then stops working, it's usually down to a leak causing the compressor to fail. That is quite an easy fix. Not everything fails at once. To go to a garage and be told fitting coils is best option is criminal.

you generally find people want a permanent fix on a cheap 4x4 that theyve just bought and found issues or had it for awhile but have had lots of problems with and dont want to be going back to a garage again and again, its not something garages recommend id think, most would rather sting you for a full eas system,theres no point in been puritanical over an old 4x4

wammers · Dec 26, 2018

jamesmartin said:
you generally find people want a permanent fix on a cheap 4x4 that theyve just bought and found issues or had it for awhile but have had lots of problems with and dont want to be going back to a garage again and again, its not something garages recommend id think, most would rather sting you for a full eas system,theres no point in been puritanical over an old 4x4

True i suppose, but if VOSA ever get serious about construction and use regulations a lot will be in trouble.

ukadamwest · Dec 26, 2018

wammers said:
Nothing like as good a drive as the P38 though. P38s are easy to maintain IF you know what you are doing. Main problem with P38 is people who don't have a clue what they are doing trying to repair them.

That right there ^^ is the killer line.

They are, and a lot of garages with f*&kwits for mechanics have probably killed more P38's through misdiagnosis and ineptitude than anything. leaving people with alternative options than to raise a mortgage for work with main dealer for a complete front end and new wiring loom for a blown bulb.

the fact that so many of them are still going, in use daily, still rot free, and like us, keeping them going to their fullest potential just goes to show that with some knowledge, they are easy to maintain and very strong vehicles.

ukadamwest · Dec 26, 2018

wammers said:
If you have an EAS system that is working and then stops working, it's usually down to a leak causing the compressor to fail. That is quite an easy fix. Not everything fails at once. To go to a garage and be told fitting coils is best option is criminal.

Going to garage and be told fitting coils is big indicator they are clueless f#$kwits on the RR

jamesmartin · Dec 26, 2018

ukadamwest said:
That right there ^^ is the killer line.

They are, and a lot of garages with f*&kwits for mechanics have probably killed more P38's through misdiagnosis and ineptitude than anything. leaving people with alternative options than to raise a mortgage for work with main dealer for a complete front end and new wiring loom for a blown bulb.

the fact that so many of them are still going, in use daily, still rot free, and like us, keeping them going to their fullest potential just goes to show that with some knowledge, they are easy to maintain and very strong vehicles.

yes for some of you, but certainly not for all who just want a cheap 4x4 and have no inclination or ability in vehicle repair

jamesmartin · Dec 26, 2018

ukadamwest said:
Going to garage and be told fitting coils is big indicator they are clueless f#$kwits on the RR

garages only tend too fit new parts/assemblies for a few reasons including their insurance, it makes older car repairs more expensive and difficult compared to any competent person doing their own

wammers · Dec 26, 2018

jamesmartin said:
yes for some of you, but certainly not for all who just want a cheap 4x4 and have no inclination or ability in vehicle repair

Come on James £400.00 plus labour for a decent set of coils then you will more than likely need shocks. Balanced against a £100.00 for a couple of bags and £25.00 for a compressor/diaphragm valve repair kit. Hour a side for bags and maybe hour and a bit to refurb compressor. So a morning sorts it. And you have all the attributes still available. The coils lose them completely.

jamesmartin · Dec 26, 2018

wammers said:
Come on James £400.00 plus labour for a decent set of coils then you will more than likely need shocks. Balanced against a £100.00 for a couple of bags and £25.00 for a compressor/diaphragm valve repair kit. Hour a side for bags and maybe hour and a bit to refurb compressor. So a morning sorts it. And you have all the attributes still available. The coils lose them completely.

thats a tadge simplistic, a good kit can be bought for 260,its not difficult to fit,you wont find many garages willing to repair a compressor they will want to fit new and will want more that 50 per bag,and fit 4,thats what a customer with a cheap 4x4 will see in the real world

James hyett · Dec 26, 2018

wammers said:
Come on James £400.00 plus labour for a decent set of coils then you will more than likely need shocks. Balanced against a £100.00 for a couple of bags and £25.00 for a compressor/diaphragm valve repair kit. Hour a side for bags and maybe hour and a bit to refurb compressor. So a morning sorts it. And you have all the attributes still available. The coils lose them completely.

That's
True I have got the compressor coming and I'll fit that and see what els needs doing after that I would prefer to keep it as it should be. I was just seeing what everyone thought and to see what people thought about coil springs if it would be better to have them or not.
And looking at everyone's point I decided to keep the old Girl .as she was I am just hoping that is all that is wrong.

jamesmartin · Dec 26, 2018

James hyett said:
That's
True I have got the compressor coming and I'll fit that and see what els needs doing after that I would prefer to keep it as it should be. I was just seeing what everyone thought and to see what people thought about coil springs if it would be better to have them or not.
And looking at everyone's point I decided to keep the old Girl .as she was I am just hoping that is all that is wrong.

if your doing it yourself thats a good way to go, if you cant you can face a big bill from the way garages tend/have to operate these days

James hyett · Dec 26, 2018

jamesmartin said:
if your doing it yourself thats a good way to go, if you cant you can face a big bill from the way garages tend/have to operate these days

I do in tend on doing it my self I will not pay someone else to do it if I can do it my self lol
( give it ago anyway) and I am sure if there is something I don't know or understand I can just ask on here

Datatek · Dec 26, 2018

jamesmartin said:
garages only tend too fit new parts/assemblies for a few reasons including their insurance, it makes older car repairs more expensive and difficult compared to any competent person doing their own

In France, garages are now legally obliged to offer second hand parts if available.

Datatek · Dec 26, 2018

James hyett said:
That's
True I have got the compressor coming and I'll fit that and see what els needs doing after that I would prefer to keep it as it should be. I was just seeing what everyone thought and to see what people thought about coil springs if it would be better to have them or not.
And looking at everyone's point I decided to keep the old Girl .as she was I am just hoping that is all that is wrong.

It's unlikely that the compressor is all that's wrong, they fail due to leaks, usually worn out airsprings.

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