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Datatek said:
Everyone has their preferences. I dislike the split rear tailgate, it makes reaching to the back of the boot a real stretch plus the short upper section does nothing to keep the rain off. Much preferred the one piece tailgate on my Volvo.
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I second that about the rain. Lower half has been useful at times, i.e. as a laptop bench when several of us were working on a Virgin/Liberty Global Trials site in the good weather. In the bad weather a one-piece tailgate would have been better !!

Access mode rarely used, but 4 times recently when moving appliances !!
 
Marjon. I can't be any more clear. There wasn't a hole in the diff before EAS failure. Then there was. Cause and effect 1. The 8mm hole matched the M8 U bolt and matched its location. Cause and effect 2. My exhaust wasn't blown before EAS failure, then it was. Cause and effect 3. And when you say 'fix it properly', what does that mean ??. How is anyone supposed to know when something is not fixed when it works ??. As for my XJR example, it was just that, an example, not an equivalence. Any aluminium block needs steel liners or Nikasil and I'm told a slipped liner can be avoided by regularly changing the engine oil. I change mine every 5K miles. You seem to be arguing in favour of your experience against mine, which is almost meaningless. They're just experiences like holidays. We could go to the same place at the same time and come back home with opposite experiences. Interesting as a comment but, ultimately meaningless about the true nature of the holiday destination. Just because you haven't had my experience owning a P38 does not mean it's a perfect design.
 
Sounds like you need a better garage, given they fitted the exhaust badly. If the u-bolt was that close, the chances are Access Mode could also do the same damage with the EAS working. I cannot find a single instance in the 600,000 posts on this forum of EAS damaging the exhaust or causing it to blow !!! Your "cause & effect" is the wrong way round - as said earlier by others, most likely the exhaust got a leak & melted an airline, hence dropping the car. Now that is a common issue.

Also the chances are your EAS has been unreliable simply because it was not maintained or repaired correctly.
 
Datatek. Understood. The boot door on a 850 or V70 is very good but, the Disco 2 door relies upon a circlip staying in place to prevent the Disco 2 door from opening too far. Mine dropped out, which allowed the retaining rod to leave its pin without me noticing until a strong wind nearly took the door off and damaged the car. It took all my strength to stop it swinging open and causing a lot of damage. Finding another circlip to replace the one lost was also an interesting exercise. I prefer the P38 split hatches any day of the week. Potential wind damage is almost eliminated with the P38 design.
 
pwood999 said:
Sounds like you need a better garage, given they fitted the exhaust badly. If the u-bolt was that close, the chances are Access Mode could also do the same damage with the EAS working. I cannot find a single instance in the 600,000 posts on this forum of EAS damaging the exhaust or causing it to blow !!! Your "cause & effect" is the wrong way round - as said earlier by others, most likely the exhaust got a leak & melted an airline, hence dropping the car. Now that is a common issue.

Also the chances are your EAS has been unreliable simply because it was not maintained or repaired correctly.
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If that's the reason, I'll keep quiet about who fitted the exhaust because it wasn't Quickfit or some other fix 'n bodgit outfit. However, every possibility is equally likely given enough P38s and enough time or I've been very unlucky.
 
Springelec said:
Marjon. I can't be any more clear. There wasn't a hole in the diff before EAS failure. Then there was. Cause and effect 1. The 8mm hole matched the M8 U bolt and matched its location. Cause and effect 2. My exhaust wasn't blown before EAS failure, then it was. Cause and effect 3. And when you say 'fix it properly', what does that mean ??. How is anyone supposed to know when something is not fixed when it works ??. As for my XJR example, it was just that, an example, not an equivalence. Any aluminium block needs steel liners or Nikasil and I'm told a slipped liner can be avoided by regularly changing the engine oil. I change mine every 5K miles. You seem to be arguing in favour of your experience against mine, which is almost meaningless. They're just experiences like holidays. We could go to the same place at the same time and come back home with opposite experiences. Interesting as a comment but, ultimately meaningless about the true nature of the holiday destination. Just because you haven't had my experience owning a P38 does not mean it's a perfect design.
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You are not listening, the hole was caused by a badly fitted exhaust, no part of the exhaust should be able to come into contact with the back axle or any other part of the running gear even when the car is on the bump stops. It could even have happened on springs with passengers in the back and a big pot hole for instance. Without doubt the leaking exhaust caused the EAS failure, the inverse is not possible.
It took the exhaust centre 3 attempts to fit a new exhaust on my Transit and it still was not right, I ended up having to sort it myself.
 
Datatek. Listening ??. That criticism can always be applied both ways. When discovered, I rotated the U bolt so that the sharp end wouldn't hit the rear axle again. Beyond that remedy, how do you suggest this fault could have been avoided when using standard LR exhaust components designed for vehicle ??. You can't arbitrarily move the position of the U bolt because lengths, bend radius and where sections are joined are fixed by the LR design. The only other remedy was to hack saw off the excess M8 thread but, that's all one could do and only if you knew about its existence. You may not like my evidence/experience but, this is what happened and I note your reply hinged on 'should not' rather than 'cannot'. When my P38 is collected, I'll ask the garage to investigate whether the last EAS failure was caused by a burned air pipe and report back. Until then, this is conjecture and not worth your time or mine to continue.
 
Springelec said:
Datatek. Listening ??. That criticism can always be applied both ways. When discovered, I rotated the U bolt so that the sharp end wouldn't hit the rear axle again. Beyond that remedy, how do you suggest this fault could have been avoided when using standard LR exhaust components designed for vehicle ??. You can't arbitrarily move the position of the U bolt because lengths, bend radius and where sections are joined are fixed by the LR design. The only other remedy was to hack saw off the excess M8 thread but, that's all one could do and only if you knew about its existence. You may not like my evidence/experience but, this is what happened and I note your reply hinged on 'should not' rather than 'cannot'. When my P38 is collected, I'll ask the garage to investigate whether the last EAS failure was caused by a burned air pipe and report back. Until then, this is conjecture and not worth your time or mine to continue.
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As you keep illustrating, the exhaust was badly fitted, the U bolt was correctly installed.
 
marjon said:
I have driven on bump stops with no damage to any other components. So who’s not listening/making excuses?

J
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Excuses ??. Now that is an interesting interpretation of my account. Excuses for what exactly ??. If you weren't located in Bulgaria, we could swap cars to see who is making excuses. and why are some people so defensive and offended by my account ??. Did you design the EAS system ??. At the end of the day, it's just a car and this is my experience owning it. Nothing more. Nothing less.
 
Springelec said:
Excuses ??. Now that is an interesting interpretation of my account. Excuses for what exactly ??. If you weren't located in Bulgaria, we could swap cars to see who is making excuses. and why are some people so defensive and offended by my account ??. Did you design the EAS system ??. At the end of the day, it's just a car and this is my experience owning it. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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No it’s the account you gave about the EAS causing other problems that nobody else has encountered (ever).
For your info both P38s drove from the UK to BG with no issues.

If you think I would let you loose in my 630r you are in a dream world ;).

J
 
Before becoming President, Bill Clinton was advised to never come between a man and his wheels. Good advice and I made that statement in jest. I was never serious. As for the other stuff, there's always a first time.
 
I know we're way off topic and I am sorry to correct you but, 'none' is short form for 'not one', which is singular. That's why we write 'none is', rather than 'none are'. In long hand 'none are' becomes 'not one are', which I trust you will accept is wrong, whereas 'not one is' is correct.
 
and if your garage had followed the LR manuals, they should have used an exhaust clamp, not a u-bolt !! If positioned properly it cannot impact the diff. Nether of mine are anywhere near the diff

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