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Fried egg and HP up Norf my man
Don't forget I'm from Stoke originally (20 miles away) - I only live down south, I'm not a southerner!!
Some pics of my Disco :D
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Don't forget I'm from Stoke originally (20 miles away) - I only live down south, I'm not a southerner!!
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First things first
Then we'll start with cleaning out the axle casing that's full if swarf and bits of old crown wheel:
Aaaaand then there's some shiny stuff I painted last night to start assembling:
More later
Then we'll start with cleaning out the axle casing that's full if swarf and bits of old crown wheel:
Aaaaand then there's some shiny stuff I painted last night to start assembling:
More later
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Put the bacon down and update! we've been waiting ages!
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Well, that was a day.
To be honest, not THAT much got covered but there was much chatting and there was a cock up relating to a discrepancy with hubs.
I am fitting FRC4320 stub axles all round which are old 90 front units that accept AEU2522 CVs, however I was planning to use my original disco 10 spline hubs.
Turns out 90 10 spline hubs are different to disco 10 spline internally and aren't interchangeable!
So after a bit of a backwards step and suchlike to prep some 90 hubs ready to fit, we eventually got it together so at least it can roll out of the workshop again tomorrow!
So you have reconditioned 90 hubs, new discs, FRC4320 stub axles, and a stock diff very kindly loaned by Mark L:
Excuse the general mess it will all get washed once built up.
A bit arse about face I know but that's the way it's going!
Remember to remove your oil seal from your stub axles if you're running your wheel bearings in axle oil not grease!
After that lot went on, I started to build the swivel balls into the housings. Luckily this went to plan!!
These are old chrome balls from an early range rover, supposedly the genuine LR chrome items do not break but they're rare as hens teeth in good nick, then we've got 24 spline swivel knuckles to which will be fitted 10 spline hubs and 110 vented discs and calipers.
Bit of a bastardisation build of 10 spline, 24 spline and Ashcroft parts selecting the best features from each family and throwing it together in a fashion which, apart from today's learning curve hiccup, should actually work very nicely!
But for now, that concludes today.
As above, not much work but there was lots of chat and tbh that's about all I could do due to various parts still needing to be ordered.
Will update my "parts needed" list and continue to scratch my head
To be honest, not THAT much got covered but there was much chatting and there was a cock up relating to a discrepancy with hubs.
I am fitting FRC4320 stub axles all round which are old 90 front units that accept AEU2522 CVs, however I was planning to use my original disco 10 spline hubs.
Turns out 90 10 spline hubs are different to disco 10 spline internally and aren't interchangeable!
So after a bit of a backwards step and suchlike to prep some 90 hubs ready to fit, we eventually got it together so at least it can roll out of the workshop again tomorrow!
So you have reconditioned 90 hubs, new discs, FRC4320 stub axles, and a stock diff very kindly loaned by Mark L:
Excuse the general mess it will all get washed once built up.
A bit arse about face I know but that's the way it's going!
Remember to remove your oil seal from your stub axles if you're running your wheel bearings in axle oil not grease!
After that lot went on, I started to build the swivel balls into the housings. Luckily this went to plan!!
These are old chrome balls from an early range rover, supposedly the genuine LR chrome items do not break but they're rare as hens teeth in good nick, then we've got 24 spline swivel knuckles to which will be fitted 10 spline hubs and 110 vented discs and calipers.
Bit of a bastardisation build of 10 spline, 24 spline and Ashcroft parts selecting the best features from each family and throwing it together in a fashion which, apart from today's learning curve hiccup, should actually work very nicely!
But for now, that concludes today.
As above, not much work but there was lots of chat and tbh that's about all I could do due to various parts still needing to be ordered.
Will update my "parts needed" list and continue to scratch my head
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Ah.. always the way when your doing a mod which isn't don't or not very common!
The work you've done so far looks good!
I'd like to make a suggestion.. once its all done, post a list of all the parts used.
The work you've done so far looks good!
I'd like to make a suggestion.. once its all done, post a list of all the parts used.
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Ok mate I should be able to do that, will be a very nice axle build this (even if I say so myself) so it would be good for people to take inspiration from.
Cheers!
P.s. I NEED EARLY 90/110/DEFENDER FRONT HUBS x4 PLEASE EVERYONE!
Cheers!
P.s. I NEED EARLY 90/110/DEFENDER FRONT HUBS x4 PLEASE EVERYONE!
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I am fitting FRC4320 stub axles all round which are old 90 front units that accept AEU2522 CVs, however I was planning to use my original disco 10 spline hubs.
Turns out 90 10 spline hubs are different to disco 10 spline internally and aren't interchangeable!
whats different internally, out of interest?
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well, the inner bearing is in exactly the same position on all versions of conventional 1986 onwards coil sprung landy hub
the outer one however changes position
the earliest hub i know of is the early defender type with the thick drive flange
this hub only has one seal, the inner, where RTC3511 is preferable
this means that with only one seal, the outer bearing can be as far out as possible, as far as the stub axle will allow with space for the two nuts etc
defender hubs changed on KA chassis to a different type of stub axle, which may or may not contain an AEU2522 cv joint, thats difficult to say at this point!
however, all defender up to 1994 had a single seal in the hub
disco 200 was a different setup again, with redesigned hubs using a more low profile drive flange, probably with alloy wheels being the main reason to consider the modification
these type of hubs have 2 seals fitted, and seeing as all hubs have the same external dimensions regards offset between the rear face, the rear bearing, the wheel mounting face and the outer drive flange mounting face, the only option is to move the outer bearing inwards to allow room to stack a seal on top
instead of having the bearing directly beared on by the tab washer and first big nut, there is a spacer type thing which acts as a seal land for the outer seal, this is about 10mm thick so the bearing is moved in about 10mm accordingly
this outer seal was fitted as an attempt to separate axle oil from the bearings which were then clearly designed to run in grease
luckily this method didnt work too well, which means that 200 disco hubs get nicely oiled and last a very long time compared to:
300TDI hubs!
which are by far the runt of the litter
these have the unholy idea of a stub axle seal which makes a great job of keeping the bearings dry and horrible
they are also the thinnest hubs by far, land rover again moving the outer bearing further in and ditching the outer seal in favour of the stub axle seal, which unfortunately worked a lot better!
as such, bearings moved close together, no outer seal and thin drive flange makes for maximum alloy wheel clearance and wheel design freedom
bad for bearing health though!!
thus, i decided the best option was old fashioned defender stub axles with AEU2522 cvs which are also land rovers best
i didnt know that the hubs were different so to now find out the bearings are even wider spaced on early defender hubs makes for an even greater result.
just need 4 more of the buggers now cos ive had to borrow the two i fitted today!
the outer one however changes position
the earliest hub i know of is the early defender type with the thick drive flange
this hub only has one seal, the inner, where RTC3511 is preferable
this means that with only one seal, the outer bearing can be as far out as possible, as far as the stub axle will allow with space for the two nuts etc
defender hubs changed on KA chassis to a different type of stub axle, which may or may not contain an AEU2522 cv joint, thats difficult to say at this point!
however, all defender up to 1994 had a single seal in the hub
disco 200 was a different setup again, with redesigned hubs using a more low profile drive flange, probably with alloy wheels being the main reason to consider the modification
these type of hubs have 2 seals fitted, and seeing as all hubs have the same external dimensions regards offset between the rear face, the rear bearing, the wheel mounting face and the outer drive flange mounting face, the only option is to move the outer bearing inwards to allow room to stack a seal on top
instead of having the bearing directly beared on by the tab washer and first big nut, there is a spacer type thing which acts as a seal land for the outer seal, this is about 10mm thick so the bearing is moved in about 10mm accordingly
this outer seal was fitted as an attempt to separate axle oil from the bearings which were then clearly designed to run in grease
luckily this method didnt work too well, which means that 200 disco hubs get nicely oiled and last a very long time compared to:
300TDI hubs!
which are by far the runt of the litter
these have the unholy idea of a stub axle seal which makes a great job of keeping the bearings dry and horrible
they are also the thinnest hubs by far, land rover again moving the outer bearing further in and ditching the outer seal in favour of the stub axle seal, which unfortunately worked a lot better!
as such, bearings moved close together, no outer seal and thin drive flange makes for maximum alloy wheel clearance and wheel design freedom
bad for bearing health though!!
thus, i decided the best option was old fashioned defender stub axles with AEU2522 cvs which are also land rovers best
i didnt know that the hubs were different so to now find out the bearings are even wider spaced on early defender hubs makes for an even greater result.
just need 4 more of the buggers now cos ive had to borrow the two i fitted today!
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well, the inner bearing is in exactly the same position on all versions of conventional 1986 onwards coil sprung landy hub
the outer one however changes position
the earliest hub i know of is the early defender type with the thick drive flange
this hub only has one seal, the inner, where RTC3511 is preferable
this means that with only one seal, the outer bearing can be as far out as possible, as far as the stub axle will allow with space for the two nuts etc
defender hubs changed on KA chassis to a different type of stub axle, which may or may not contain an AEU2522 cv joint, thats difficult to say at this point!
however, all defender up to 1994 had a single seal in the hub
disco 200 was a different setup again, with redesigned hubs using a more low profile drive flange, probably with alloy wheels being the main reason to consider the modification
these type of hubs have 2 seals fitted, and seeing as all hubs have the same external dimensions regards offset between the rear face, the rear bearing, the wheel mounting face and the outer drive flange mounting face, the only option is to move the outer bearing inwards to allow room to stack a seal on top
instead of having the bearing directly beared on by the tab washer and first big nut, there is a spacer type thing which acts as a seal land for the outer seal, this is about 10mm thick so the bearing is moved in about 10mm accordingly
this outer seal was fitted as an attempt to separate axle oil from the bearings which were then clearly designed to run in grease
luckily this method didnt work too well, which means that 200 disco hubs get nicely oiled and last a very long time compared to:
300TDI hubs!
which are by far the runt of the litter
these have the unholy idea of a stub axle seal which makes a great job of keeping the bearings dry and horrible
they are also the thinnest hubs by far, land rover again moving the outer bearing further in and ditching the outer seal in favour of the stub axle seal, which unfortunately worked a lot better!
as such, bearings moved close together, no outer seal and thin drive flange makes for maximum alloy wheel clearance and wheel design freedom
bad for bearing health though!!
thus, i decided the best option was old fashioned defender stub axles with AEU2522 cvs which are also land rovers best
i didnt know that the hubs were different so to now find out the bearings are even wider spaced on early defender hubs makes for an even greater result.
just need 4 more of the buggers now cos ive had to borrow the two i fitted today!
which is why some fit rtc3511 oil seal in hub and remove stub axle seal
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^^^^ indeed
if i were a 300 owner i would do the same thing
james i have a question for you actually
im running the rear bearings i oil no problem
but
the fronts stub axles FRC4320 have seals in them BUT i am going to remove them
i also run ep90 in the swivels, do you think there will be enough lubrication able to pass through the brass bush where the CV rests to lubricate the front hub bearings sufficiently?
or is it difficult to un the front hubs in oil?
i cant decide
if i were a 300 owner i would do the same thing
james i have a question for you actually
im running the rear bearings i oil no problem
but
the fronts stub axles FRC4320 have seals in them BUT i am going to remove them
i also run ep90 in the swivels, do you think there will be enough lubrication able to pass through the brass bush where the CV rests to lubricate the front hub bearings sufficiently?
or is it difficult to un the front hubs in oil?
i cant decide
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i still put grease in hubs but oil will work its way through
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hmmm yeah i think i'll run the rears in oil becuase there will be oil available in plenty amounts but the fronts i better had grease just in case then i'll see how they get on
at least the splines should be lubricated ok without the stub axle seal
at least the splines should be lubricated ok without the stub axle seal
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that's what I do, but wasn't aware of the differences between 200 and 300.
knew there were differences on series that had different size bearings tho!
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Well just spent the last 4 hours or so reading through the entire thread. TBH, without having looked at how many pages there were, I wasnt expecting there to be so much as the beast looked good from post #1.
Very impressed with what you've done man. A work of art.
Just picked up my 3rd 300 after being landroverless for the best part of 3 and a half years (insane i know). I've no where near the skills to do everything you've done to yours myself but if I can get half way there, I'll be proud. I've alread done the head on mine which is something I would never have done 3 years ago so I guess I'm already growing a pair.
The only pic I have of her so far (the missus having a blast) and the vid below. I'm keeping a log of all the little bits and might put a thread together once I've made some real progress.
Keep up the good work mate.
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Very impressed with what you've done man. A work of art.
Just picked up my 3rd 300 after being landroverless for the best part of 3 and a half years (insane i know). I've no where near the skills to do everything you've done to yours myself but if I can get half way there, I'll be proud. I've alread done the head on mine which is something I would never have done 3 years ago so I guess I'm already growing a pair.
The only pic I have of her so far (the missus having a blast
) and the vid below. I'm keeping a log of all the little bits and might put a thread together once I've made some real progress.Keep up the good work mate.
Harry
Land Rover Discovery 300tdi - Ermine Street, Lincolnshire Green Lane - YouTube
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Thanks for the comments guys, pleased to hear the build can entertain and inspire!
I was a landy novice when I started albeit no stranger to working on cars but with enough time didn't trying, testing, reading and experimenting you can gain a decent amount of experience without too much trouble.
Fabulous vehicles to own and use.
Cheers
I was a landy novice when I started albeit no stranger to working on cars but with enough time didn't trying, testing, reading and experimenting you can gain a decent amount of experience without too much trouble.
Fabulous vehicles to own and use.
Cheers
It's a battered off road only disco but I love it. Yes it's road legal but not every day driver just a bit of fun I will Keep adding stronger bits to till I have to buy a better one to swop it all over to. Like you say no stranger to cars but landys are so simple they are a treat to work on with big nuts and bolts
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Yaaaaay Ashcroft front shafts and drive members ordered, yaaaaay more OEM parts ordered, yaaaaay spoke to Dave at Llama4x4 regards brake hose kit, nooooo still need to find 4 early defender hubs, nooooo still need to find cheap 24 spline diff to borrow or buy.
