Rattleguns Series Rebuild

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Thanks Owl, the plate in the back doesn't offend me, it'll stay in there I think. Especially as its covering a well worn floor (from looking at the underside!). I'm not planning on adding any more, although its not going to be a purists Land Rover either :)
 
I don't suppose you would have the price of gaskets, seals, bearing shells and rings to hand would you? I'll need to get some of those those :)

About £65 plus vat dude, can be had cheaper if you wish, or more expensive, depending on which brand you go for. What's your cam and followers like? :)
 
They'll be checked when its stripped. I'm trying to price up things I definitely know I'll need like those and then get things as and when I need them. The engines pretty good, just leaks like a colander and needs new rings for definite :)
 
Putting the rear shoes on was nice and easy, although you've got to pay attention to where the springs go, it's not so obvious when the shoes are full of holes! There's a spring at the bottom that goes across the shoes, and a red one at the top that goes from one shoe to a peg just under the cylinder. The springs were new ones from Paddocks (Britpart I presume) and fitted perfectly.

The front brakes (twin leading shoe on mine) were a bit harder, here's the finished backplate:

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Bit of a late reply, but came across the thread and looks good!

The reason you struggled with brake pads, are they're handed (as in left and right are different, so you're fitting the wrong side. The thing thats sticking out on the pad, should be facing the stub axle, and then you're spring goes on that :)
 
Bit of a late reply, but came across the thread and looks good!

The reason you struggled with brake pads, are they're handed (as in left and right are different, so you're fitting the wrong side. The thing thats sticking out on the pad, should be facing the stub axle, and then you're spring goes on that :)

Thanks. The silver posts sticking up are what the brake adjust cam operates against. On these mintex shoes they helpfully stick out both sides (making the shoes suitable for either position. Funnily enough the rears are not like that, you get a leading and a trailing shoe, only one has the adjust peg fitted.

The spring position on that backplate is correct as per the manual, rear brakes do use the silver post as a spring locate position though, but not TLS fronts.
 
I've been plodding on! Got lots of pics and stories to add, I will try and get some time to sit down and put them up. It's not come along as far as you might think but have turned another corner anyway! Thanks for asking about it.
 
Ok lets get back to it!

I haven't updated the thread for several months but work has been plodding on. I've also got a new puppy, started a new business, been on holiday, had some major projects at work and got a new van. This is what I've been doing....

I've mostly been working on the engine and gearbox with a bit on the bulkhead when the sun was out in the summer. Let start with the engine, there's lots to read about rebuilding the engine online and in the manuals so I'll continue in the vein of describing what it's like to be putting things together and the unwritten lessons I've picked up.

A final clean of the block before assembly, lots of sharp edges in there and we both had lots of cuts and nicks before it was finished:



The main bearing shells go in next, they push in with a nice springing action and the small tooth engages with the notch in the housing:



Full set installed and oiled up ready for the crank:



The crank rested in place and oiled up some more and all the oil ways in the crank were filled, it's really heavy and there's surprisingly little room either side to move it about:



The bearing shells in the bearing caps were then fitted in the same way and loosely nipped down, the number 5 main bearing is different as it incorporates the dreaded T seals which fit between the cap and the block at its sides. If you have a three bearing engine I think you have to also fit some part of the rear crank seal now, on a 5 bearing you don't, it comes later. The T seals come too long and get stretched during insertion and then recede, so these get trimmed off in the morning. Looks a bit messy and I probably used too much sealant, some people apparently don't use the cork insert at all and just fill it with sealant:



All fitted, you can see the T seals between the bearing cap and block (2 small squares). The sealant used in the motor is Loctite Gasket seal (Oil resistant type) they also do a water/antifreeze gasket sealant and a manifold one:



Crank is now installed and main bearing caps torqued up, nervously grab the crank and see if it turns.....it does!! Nice and smooth with no tight spots, the first milestone of the engine build and it was pretty simple too:



Lets put the pistons in, new gudgeon pins inserted through the small ends and circlips installed:





The conrod has markings on it to ensure you put it on the right way round and is beautifully engineered, it has pathways for oil through it and a jet that sprays oil onto the underside of the piston to cool it down. Graham the codger still had a ring compressor from the days when you had to do this sort of thing every week so I let him tap the piston and rod assembly in with the hammer handle:





Big end caps fitted and torqued, the shell bearings fit just like the mains do:



Hooray! It still turns smoothly, that was the second major relief point!



With delusions of competence we then put some more moving parts in, cam goes in and into these bearings, this is what is under those greasy mucky chambers your fuel pump and oil filler tube are covering, they're 2 little oil baths for the cams (there's another where the dizzy fits), oil gathers in here and when it fills up, it overflows that little wall you can see and goes down the big hole straight into the sump. This keeps the lobes splashing in oil.



Being bloody careful not to scag the bearings with the sharp cam lobes:





Timing gear goes back on, crank to TDC and dot on the cam gear aligned as per the manual:



New tappets and rollers going in:



Right, lets move onto the first stumbling block, the skew gear shaft assembly. This piece of utter insanity slides into the hole where the distributor goes, its just a shaft mounted in a housing that has a bearing in it so it can spin round. The skew gear is on top and a socket for the drive to the oil pump is at the bottom. Basically you have to slide it in and insert a grub screw through the oil pump mounting face to lock it in place, only you have to make sure the skew gear points at the correct angle also. Unfortunately, as you insert the skew gear it turns so you have to work out how far you have to insert it from where it should be (about a 1/4 turn) and then guide it in. On top of that, there's no definite place where you can tell it's in far enough and the outer body is free turn (beyond your control) at any time, so you may never see the grub screw hole to get it in. With quite a few attempts and a torch shining down the grub hole to see where it has to fit we got it in. If you had to do this with the motor in place I can imagine it would drive you potty.

Skew gear in place and hole for grub screw:





The slot in the skew gear is offset to one side and with #1 piston at TDC compression it should point to #1 piston, it showed a specific stud hole in the manual that it should be pointing too but could I get it to do that, could I buggery. It was either the tooth just past or before. I chose the closest so we'll see if that's right. I can't imagine it matters too much seeing as you can turn the body of the distributor quite a bit anyway, although it's given me the willies that the cam isn't timed correctly. We shall see.

So that's the bottom end done! The oil pump is not yet fitted, I'll leave that for now as it sticks out quite a way and I don't want to knock it. It's all gone really well and nothing was difficult or unclear, not that it's started yet!!

Top end next...
 
I'm on familiar territory doing the head so wasn't so worried about doing that. It had been refaced, had new guides and seats cut at Pogsons so was a great starting point. I asked the engineer if I should grind the valves in and he looked at me like I'd shat on his dog. He most indignantly told me they were cut perfectly for the valves and didn't need it :rolleyes: I did have a go at one with some grinding paste but they were indeed perfect.



Valve stem oil seals - sprung type on the inlets (the big valves):



Putting the collets in with spring compressed:



All in!



Now, talking about collets, one of the valves in the engine had a strange collet set on it with 3 steps instead of the usual 1. This wouldn't fit the new valve so I needed a pair of collets. Hmmm, I had the old motor here so I'll get 2 off that. Hmmm, I'm lazy and don't want to take the whole flippin head off for two collets. I know, I'll tap the top of the valve cap to displace the collets! So I took aim and carefully selected the appropriate angle to strike the valve spring cap to push it down and release them.

toing toing went the hammer against the spring









toing toing toing ....... hmmmm harder maybe











TOING TOING TOING TOING







FUUPERRRRTTTTTWAAAAAAANNNNGGGGGGG

and I never saw the cap, collets or valve spring again, I mean I NEVER saw them again. Bearing in mind I was in a sealed concrete store room with only the engine in it and a 6 inch vent a the top it was some feat! About 2 weeks later someone in work handed me the valve spring as he had found it on his bonnet and knew I liked oily things. The car park is 50 yards from the storeroom! The collets must be in outer ferkin space.

I learnt nothing and did the same again but with some carpet on top to contain the bits, chuffed I was!

So, the head is done! On to the block and gasket it goes with the rocker gear and torqued down:



The engine now looked really tall after being used to the block for a while.

Next up, fancy stuff!
 
The thing I've spent most time doing on this whole vehicle is cleaning and painting brackets, plates and what have you. There are just dozens and dozens of them, I've spent hour after hour just cleaning up and painting these things and not a session goes by without a pile of freshly painted bits. I suppose it doesn't have to be done but it seems like I'm in too far now!





Almost done...



The paint going on the engine is Hammerite black hammer finish, it's a lovely paint to spray and goes on thick and smooth, It has a nice sparkly finish too. First coat:



Note 10p pieces in the spark plug holes to mask them off. Surprisingly hard to pass off 4 ten pence pieces that are black on one side I found out.



Oil pump back on (don't forget the shaft!), gasket, sealant and then the sump:

 
Love what your doing. Keep it up, I love reading the rebuild threads on here. Maybe sometime soon it will inspire me to pull my finger out and finish my Carlton.
 
The engine looks massive when it's all built up, it seemed so small when it was just a block. I really like knowing that there isn't one part of that motor I haven't had in the palm of my hand, every single nut, washer, piston clip, everything. God I hope it works :)
 
Who needs a Haynes when you have a thread like this. If my old girl looks half as smart as your engine I'll be well chuffed!! Great job, keep going. :)
 
Fantastic thread - thanks for posting all those photos!
Just bought a low mileage (36k) 2.25 diesel engine as a 'spare' and started to just check it over. Your photos are very useful! Damned heavy engine - 225kg less ancillaries
 
Fantastic thread - thanks for posting all those photos!
Just bought a low mileage (36k) 2.25 diesel engine as a 'spare' and started to just check it over. Your photos are very useful! Damned heavy engine - 225kg less ancillaries

This engine was supposed to be 20k 'low mileage', I don't believe a word of it anymore! Will deffo be good to have a look inside yours to see where its at.
 
Mine looks fine so far. had sump off and bearings / shells are mint. it's been pretty much a one owner job. I don't think I'll disturb the head. it was running until a few weeks ago and no smoke / ran lovely. Had injectors serviced and timing chain changed 2 years ago too. I'll replace rear main deal and front seal to be sure. it's got a 2.5 timing case cover on it and I want to source a 2.25 type to keep original.
 
Good idea not to disturb the rest I think, diesels seem to be a bugger to set up if dismantled. What's a 2.5 cover like that makes it different?
 
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