Me again - really need some help...

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paddocks have them for £125 + VAT.. no idea if it will be here in time.. think it's just a spring popped out but need to take the base plate off to get to it and 6mm socket too small 7mm too big..
 

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Well Tigger, it looks like you've had an exciting few hours. If I've read it correctly, I'm glad you got your dizzy sorted and identified ignition timing not quite right. The link to that dizzy, be careful. I think you would have a DLM8 dizzy not DM8. Also you need to check which dizzy you have before replacing it because there are different advance curves that affect the way your engine runs - just a useless piece of info, just in case.

Anyway you weer asking about settinig timing and finding TDC. Timing marks are on the damper on the crank pulley. Get some Tipp-Ex or white/silver touch up paint and highlight the timing marks. Turn the pulley so TDC lines up with the pointer on the block, check Number 1 cylinder is at the top of its' stroke and both valves closed that should be your starting point.

I think you should find the procedure for setting timing in Rave. Sometimes referred to as static timing. BTW as you had you dizzy in bits you MUST re-set the air gap between the pick up and reluctor. Remember I said that was easy, well it is. I can't remember how small a gap is needed (pretty small) but I do know that if you get a piece of standard 80gsm plain copier/printer paper, fold it in half and use the paper as the feeler gauge, you are at the right setting. In essence, you can set the gap with a paper feeler gauge that is equivalent to two pieces of paper (hope that makes sense).

I expect to hear you have the beast rumbling by lunchtime!
 
I had the thing back together by 1am.. then checked the rave and realised I needed to set that gap so this morning's mission is to get the gap set, the engine to TDC and the dizzy back on..

anyone know what size the nut is on the bottom pulley as nothing here fits.. guess and hints from boomer suggest 24 or 24mm.. anyone know for sure save me making multiple trips to halfrauds..
 
the gap is now set (using paper thanks for that Kev) and I am off to halfrauds for sockets..

just checked the bank balance and realised how much money I am saving doing this myself.. it's frustrating but only because I am on a deadline.. otheriwse it's good to learn stuff about my motor and knowing I've done a good job is pretty satisfying..
 
right I have found the timing mark on the damper.. fairly obvious from underneath imposible to see from up top.. so what do I line it up with then.. think i am at or near TDC but doesn't appear to be lined up with anything that could be a corresponding timing mark..
 
just saw your post said pointer on the block Kev.. can't see a pointer and will feel damn stupid if it's sommat obvious..

The timing pointer is a steel bracket type thing bolted to the block. I hope somebody hasn't taken it off and forgotten to put it back on coz that could be a real headache.

Suggest you crawl under the front and look closely above the front pulley. Where your timing marks are there should be a bit of metal sticking out above them. Hope that sort of helps.
 
here are some piccs - mainly of distributor setup. It looks like the disty might be able to go in one of two positions. I hope yu fitted it back the same as you removed it - not 180 degrees out?

heres a couple more "issues" you can check................... ;)

A check list of common simple issues

.Being sure of TDC position with regard to crank-indicated timing mark is a must.
Plug gap needs to be 0.8mm - 0.9mm.
Don't use resistor plugs and suppressed leads together.
Std. spec. high street leads may not be able to handle the extra spark KVs.
Check fuel delivery pressure.
Check Carb float bowl height.
Check no blocked or restrictive fuel filter in line.
Do you have the fuel return hose (to the tank) connected? If so, it needs restricting.
Try an alternative coil even if yours is new?

Most importantly

You cannot trust the indicated timing marks on your engine's bottom pulley. We have found them to be up to 20 degrees out in the worst circumstances.
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To check this, it is required to remove No 1 spark plug and rotate the engine (using some form of probe down the cylinder), to ascertain if No 1 piston and the indicated TDC timing marks do actually align as indicated TDC on your pulley.
Especially if your engine is other than the std. production one in the std. production vehicle it was originally fitted to.
If your indicated TDC pulley (reference) mark is wrong, then all you do and all we advise, will never stand a chance of achieving what's expected. This also applies to the information given above, so ignore this section at your peril.

There is a good check list for the distributors above and the following advice is also useful.

Its also worth noting that the best ignition timing in any given engine, is to achieve the most advance it can tolerate without pinking. ( Audible pre-ignition).
This is achieved by setting your V8 timing to about 4 deg. BTDC (assuming you've been through the distributor check list completely). Then tighten the distributor so that you can (with effort) still turn it by hand. ideally put a tip-ex mark or small scratch on the distributor body and engine block to record this spot.
Next road test the car and simulate high load by quickly shifting into a high gear or if Auto allow to change quickly up to 3rd or 4th Ideally you need to find a small hill or incline, now if you apply full throttle the engine should respond without pinking, find a safe place to pull over, open the bonnet and turn the distributor through a couple of degrees only, anticlockwise, this will add slightly more advance timing and if you do the same test, and repeat it until pinking is noticed you will be very close to your absolute best timing criteria
So now all you need to do is turn the distributor clockwise by the same amount by an amount to counteract the last adjust, retest for the absence of pinking and that the job done, you will have just achieved the best maximum timing position for your car

Having done this an ideal engine would run perfect in all areas and pull as you would expect from all load and rpm areas. you would also expect the final timing position to be somewhere close to 6-8 deg. btdc, (exceptions assumed) However if this is not the case and or your engine developers other strange habits then it is almost certainly pointing to another issue with your engine of which there can be many.

Fuel pump low pressure
Leaky older or high miles injectors
Poor or pretending plug wires
Flashy plugs that ar'nt so flashy after all :)
Throttle pot settings
Air flow meter settings
Coolant and fuel temp sensors
Lambda probe(s) if any
Distributor ability, both its output voltage and mechanical advance systems capability

to name but a few. !!!!!


Interesting to see the note about the Manifold vent tube - possible blocking - causing overheating - might be worth checking anorl.
 

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right I have found the timing marks thanks to Kev and they match the piccie that you posted MHM.. nice to see that there is a mark for 6 degrees before TDC - which is where the spark should fire according to rave.. so will line up engine there and then fit dizzy.. which needs to be inserted 30 degrees out and rotated in on its splines according to rave.. using the screwdriver the timing marks seem to be pretty close so they will be enough of a guide to re-assemble

so back soon with an update..
 
nice to see that there is a mark for 6 degrees before TDC - which is where the spark should fire according to rave.. so will line up engine there and then fit dizzy.. which needs to be inserted 30 degrees out and rotated in on its splines according to rave.

Sounds simple doesn't it! I can't remember if the serpentine engine is the same but on my RRC you also have to get the oil pump drive lined up. The thing about rotating on the splines relates to the drive gear off the end of the cam shaft but you may notice below the drove gear there is a slotted end - this engages the oil pump. You need to peer down the dizzy mounting hole and guestimate if the slot will match the shaft. You'll know when it doesn't becaue the dizzy won't fit properly. It can take several attempts to get it right, you can use a long large flat bladed screwdriver to turn the oil pump shaft so it will engage with the bottom of the dizzy shaft. Trust me this can be a test of patience. (been there done that etc)
 
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