Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??

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C. E. White

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• Dec 1, 2003

• #61

Chris Phillipo wrote:

> > >
> >
> > So you paid over $30,000 for a car over 10 years ago and you think that
> > $500 would be a bit much for an alternator or starter on a car in the
> > same class as the BMW 5 series? Let me let you in on a few secrets. AC
> > systems fail, they fail on 5 day old cars, they fail on 5 year old cars.
> > Second, if you have an exhaust heat problem, fixing the symptoms is not
> > going to fix the problem. You either had a bad heat shield or a rich
>
> Opps, that should read "lean running condition".

I have no reason to think the exhaust was running hot. It was fuel injected
car. The placement of the alternator was just plain stupid. I don't know what
the fact that the car cost $20,000+ has to do with the cost of the starter or
alternator. Neither contributes to the "luxury" aspects of the car. The
starter and alternators on my $2000 pintos worked just as well and were far
more reliable.

Ed

 

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Chris Phillipo

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• Dec 2, 2003

• #62

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > So you paid over $30,000 for a car over 10 years ago and you think that
> > > $500 would be a bit much for an alternator or starter on a car in the
> > > same class as the BMW 5 series? Let me let you in on a few secrets. AC
> > > systems fail, they fail on 5 day old cars, they fail on 5 year old cars.
> > > Second, if you have an exhaust heat problem, fixing the symptoms is not
> > > going to fix the problem. You either had a bad heat shield or a rich
> >
> > Opps, that should read "lean running condition".
>
> I have no reason to think the exhaust was running hot. It was fuel injected
> car. The placement of the alternator was just plain stupid. I don't know what

Next to the engine, what a silly place to put an alternator. Much like
my 10 year old start that's under the exhaust manifold I guess.

> the fact that the car cost $20,000+ has to do with the cost of the starter or

Expensive parts are what make a car expensive. Get it?
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DTJ

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• Dec 2, 2003

• #63

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:32:42 -0500, "Douglas A. Shrader"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"DTJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <[email protected]>
>. On the other hand,
>> EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>> miles.
>
>You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.

Sure, why not. Of course, you could ask WHY they cost me that much,
and how many I owned that did. Sort of like the asshole claiming his
Toyota was the biggest piece of **** on the road, but not mentioning
that he bought it from a group of 18-year olds who used it to race off
road, never changed the oil, and frequently cleared all 4 wheels off
the ground...

 

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DTJ

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• Dec 2, 2003

• #64

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:48:00 -0800, Garth Almgren <[email protected]>
wrote:

>>>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>>>miles.
>> You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
>Seriously. That's either a case of neglect, or just plain bad luck.

Neither. I am just playing the same word games asshole was.

Let's see - purchase car for $5000, drive it 20,000 miles, spend $1000
on repairs, sell for $1000 3 years later - total cost = $5000 for
20,000 miles.

It comes down to statistics, really. Asshole buys Toyota for whatever
price, with whatever miles on it, got something that wasn't taken care
of. Then goes on to complain that in spite of his not maintaining it,
the vehicle failed. Gee I wonder why.

Now, why have all my Honda's done so well? Simple. Bought NEW, with
LESS THAN 10 miles on them. Dealer never had a chance to **** them
up. Took care of them. Pretty simple, huh?

 

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DTJ

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• Dec 2, 2003

• #65

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:35:54 -0700, AZGuy <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:00:21 GMT, DTJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Really. You are indeed the consummate asshole. Only an asshole like
>you would pay $20,000 for a vehicle and then another $25,000 to
>maintain it. I think your own statements prove you are a dickless
>Troll.

Oh my, you really hurt me with that one. I don't know whether it hurt
worse to have you make up how much I paid for something, or to realize
you have penis envy.

 

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DTJ

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• Dec 2, 2003

• #66

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 03:04:10 GMT, Lon Stowell
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Umm, not to question your credibility and record keeping here,
> but that would be roughly equivalent to something like a full
> engine rebuild roughly every two years. Unless you have the

Notice I never mentioned the condition of the car when I bought it,
much like the asshole azguy who forgot to mention that the imports he
bought were all pieces of **** due to the previous owner's abuse,
added to by his inability to find where to stick the dipstick. Sort
of the same problem he has finding other holes.

 

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DTJ

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• Dec 2, 2003

• #67

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:39:49 -0500, "C. E. White"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Car (new/used, approximate reapir expenses, mileage when disposed)
>'83 Toyota Cressida (new, $3000, 80k miles) - sold
>'75 Datsun 280 Z (new, $1500, 50k miles) - sold to friend
>'83 Mazda 626 (new, $1100, 60k miles) - sold to Sister
>The lsit does not include routine maintenace and wear items (brake pads,
>etc.).

Interesting how you compare the worst years of imports against the
"best" years of domestics. Not that ford, chrysler or GM really have
"best" years...

 

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Del Rawlins

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• Dec 2, 2003

• #68

On 01 Dec 2003 06:42 PM, DTJ posted the following:
> On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 03:04:10 GMT, Lon Stowell
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Umm, not to question your credibility and record keeping here,
>> but that would be roughly equivalent to something like a full
>> engine rebuild roughly every two years. Unless you have the
>
> Notice I never mentioned the condition of the car when I bought it,
> much like the asshole azguy who forgot to mention that the imports he
> bought were all pieces of **** due to the previous owner's abuse,
> added to by his inability to find where to stick the dipstick. Sort
> of the same problem he has finding other holes.

He's obviously found at least one asshole.

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C. E. White

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• Dec 2, 2003

• #69

Chris Phillipo wrote:

> Expensive parts are what make a car expensive. Get it?

No, expensive cars make otherwise standard replacement parts expensive.
There is no reason a replacement starter or alternator for a Cressida
should cost more than a Crown starter or alternator. A friend used to
work in a Chevy parts department. He claimed that if you looked up a
"Corvette" part, it would cost 15 to 20% more than the exact same part
for another Chevrolet.

Ed

 

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C. E. White

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• Dec 2, 2003

• #70

DTJ wrote:
>
> On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:39:49 -0500, "C. E. White"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Car (new/used, approximate reapir expenses, mileage when disposed)
> >'83 Toyota Cressida (new, $3000, 80k miles) - sold
> >'75 Datsun 280 Z (new, $1500, 50k miles) - sold to friend
> >'83 Mazda 626 (new, $1100, 60k miles) - sold to Sister
> >The lsit does not include routine maintenace and wear items (brake pads,
> >etc.).
>
> Interesting how you compare the worst years of imports against the
> "best" years of domestics. Not that ford, chrysler or GM really have
> "best" years...

What do you mean? I also listed domestics from the 70's, 80's, '90, '00
- you just cut off all the good cars. Are you implying that all those
years were the "best" years for domestics? I am only comparing what I
owned. After that Toyota, I wasn't really interested in getting screwed
again. It wasn't just that the Toyota was a money pit, it was also slow,
ugly, cramped, and handled like a horse cart. At least the Datsun drove
nicely and looked great. The Mazda was a nice body style (5 door), got
decent gas mileage, and had a nice transmisison (5 speed). The Toyta had
no redeeming values except that my ex liked it (but amazingly she was
more than ready to get rid of it when the transmission screwed up). Oh
what a feeling.

Ed

 

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Chris Phillipo

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• Dec 4, 2003

• #71

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> > Expensive parts are what make a car expensive. Get it?
>
> No, expensive cars make otherwise standard replacement parts expensive.
> There is no reason a replacement starter or alternator for a Cressida
> should cost more than a Crown starter or alternator. A friend used to
> work in a Chevy parts department. He claimed that if you looked up a
> "Corvette" part, it would cost 15 to 20% more than the exact same part
> for another Chevrolet.
>
> Ed
>

Tell me, how many crow starter or alternators were made in Japan for
enthusiast sport sedans? And what does the cost of massive American
protectionist economy tarrifs on Japanese parts have to do with the
price of parts for some Chevy penile enhancement on wheels?
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Dave in Columbus

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• Dec 4, 2003

• #72

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:43:36 -0400, Chris Phillipo
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>says...
>>
>>
>> Chris Phillipo wrote:
>>
>> > Expensive parts are what make a car expensive. Get it?
>>
>> No, expensive cars make otherwise standard replacement parts expensive.
>> There is no reason a replacement starter or alternator for a Cressida
>> should cost more than a Crown starter or alternator. A friend used to
>> work in a Chevy parts department. He claimed that if you looked up a
>> "Corvette" part, it would cost 15 to 20% more than the exact same part
>> for another Chevrolet.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
>Tell me, how many crow starter or alternators were made in Japan for
>enthusiast sport sedans? And what does the cost of massive American
>protectionist economy tarrifs on Japanese parts have to do with the
>price of parts for some Chevy penile enhancement on wheels?


Wow, Dude. You do have some issues, don't you?

 

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rnf2

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• Dec 4, 2003

• #73

"Dave in Columbus" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
>
> Wow, Dude. You do have some issues, don't you?

Just about everyone outside the US has issues.

The US wants free trade and no tariffs on US goods. Yet puts up it's own
import tariffs and increases subsidies.

Hypocrites.

rhys

 

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C.R. Krieger

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• Dec 4, 2003

• #74

"rnf2" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Dave in Columbus" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
> >
> > Wow, Dude. You do have some issues, don't you?
>
> Just about everyone outside the US has issues.
>
> The US wants free trade and no tariffs on US goods. Yet puts up it's own
> import tariffs and increases subsidies.
>
> Hypocrites.

Hey, *we* (the *majority* of Americans) didn't elect this moron!
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