Dumb**** in SUV runs over Sunbather

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Paul wrote:
> "Eastward Bound" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>She must have been sitting close the the parking lot. Not far from
>>the edge of where the concret ends and becomes sand. Maybe the rear
>>tire of the SUV rolled over the park/bump stop as she was backing up.
>
>
> More likely the sunbather was lying in the driving lane.

What evidence makes you conclude that? Just curious.



John

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So who's really in the details, God or the devil?

 
DTJ wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:54:54 -0400, "Paul"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>"Dave C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>If so, that would complicate the filing of charges against the driver. In
>>>essence, it legalized manslaughter.
>>
>>No it won't. The same rules/responsibilities apply on the beach as on a
>>highway or other street. If the driver was out of the designated driving
>>lanes, she should be dealt with accordingly. If the sunbather was in the
>>driving lanes, she got what she asked for.
>
>
> Try that in court after running over someone in the street. "Yes
> judge, I did see that person laying in the street, and I figured they
> deserved it."

Depending on who the person is, the judge may agree.... ;-)



John

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"The Lindbergh Baby" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> > More likely the sunbather was lying in the driving lane.
>
> What evidence makes you conclude that? Just curious.

Because when I lived in DB (admittedly several years ago) if you were on the
beach and you even attempted to go out of the driving lanes/designated
parking areas, the beach rangers would be all over you like flies on sh*t.

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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:39:31 GMT, The Lindbergh Baby
<[email protected]> wrote:


>What's annoying is when they park in the COMPACT spaces.

What's annoying to me is the fact that "COMPACT" spaces even exist. The lot
should be designed so that all the spaces are sized for an Excursion or a
Hummer. These "COMPACT" spaces are just the result of poor design/layout.

>I was a passenger in a Toyota Land Bruiser once and the driver squeezed
>into a space meant for compacts. There was no way the driver next to
>him was getting back into his car unless he crawled through the sunroof.
> I "joked" to him that his car was hardly a compact and he replied,
>without irony, "I don't want to have to walk." (The compact spaces were
>a little closer to the store.)

This is why there should be no "COMPACT" spaces - there will always be some
asshole who tries to cheat.

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In rec.autos.driving Scott in Aztlan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> What's annoying to me is the fact that "COMPACT" spaces even exist. The lot
> should be designed so that all the spaces are sized for an Excursion or a
> Hummer. These "COMPACT" spaces are just the result of poor design/layout.

Well, if you can fit more cars in the space if people would be willing to
actually pay attention to where they park and maybe some will have to
actually, *gasp* walk, you can fit more parking spaces in. That's the
whole point. Of course then you hit the reality that people can't park
even when in small cars (I had a neighbor at my apt complex who had a
little geo tracker and couldn't even park it well) and there are plent of
assholes who just can't be bothered to walk a few feet so they'll fit
their car in anyways. Heh, my apartment when they repainted the parking
lot took out the compact lettering on some spaces in front of my apartment
ause no one paid attention. Of course you can still tell it was compact
spaces cause if people dn't park straight in the middle, some one has a
hard time getting int heir car without denting some one else's door.

Alice

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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In rec.autos.driving Scott in Aztlan <[email protected]>
wrote:
> >
> > What's annoying to me is the fact that "COMPACT" spaces even exist. The
lot
> > should be designed so that all the spaces are sized for an Excursion or
a
> > Hummer. These "COMPACT" spaces are just the result of poor
design/layout.
>
> Well, if you can fit more cars in the space if people would be willing to
> actually pay attention to where they park and maybe some will have to
> actually, *gasp* walk, you can fit more parking spaces in. That's the
> whole point. Of course then you hit the reality that people can't park
> even when in small cars (I had a neighbor at my apt complex who had a
> little geo tracker and couldn't even park it well) and there are plent of
> assholes who just can't be bothered to walk a few feet so they'll fit
> their car in anyways. Heh, my apartment when they repainted the parking
> lot took out the compact lettering on some spaces in front of my apartment
> ause no one paid attention. Of course you can still tell it was compact
> spaces cause if people dn't park straight in the middle, some one has a
> hard time getting int heir car without denting some one else's door.
>
> Alice

I normally park as far away as possible, no worries then about people
hitting me with doors, runaway shopping carts, or anything else.


 
> I normally park as far away as possible, no worries then about people
> hitting me with doors, runaway shopping carts, or anything else.


Exactly. Plus there's less problems with driving through lanes full of
pedestrians.

Of course, when your summer car has huge doors like my 3rd gen 'bird, it
helps if the spot next to you is empty. ;o)


 
>
> That's the penalty for an act of carelessness. Hopefully by the time
Gelenda
> Willits' lawyer gets done, "Tiffany," won't be able to pay attention or
any
> thing else.
>
> --
> Paul

Do we know that there IS a lawyer? It costs lots of money to hire a lawyer.
No lawyer will take this case unless there are deep pockets on one side or
the other. -Dave


 
> That's the criminal penalty, which by the way proves fault. The civil
case will
> be for a _ lot _ more _ money.
>
> Jon

That assumes that the plaintiff or the defendant or BOTH are rich.
Otherwise, there won't be a civil suit. I learned that the hard way. While
the plaintiff would have a strong case, she won't find a lawyer to take the
case unless she can pony up several thousand dollars in advance, OR the
defendant is rich. -Dave (been there, needed to sue someone, would have
won BIG TIME, but didn't have the cash to hire the lawyer)


 
Scott in Aztlan wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:39:31 GMT, The Lindbergh Baby
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>What's annoying is when they park in the COMPACT spaces.
>
>
> What's annoying to me is the fact that "COMPACT" spaces even exist. The lot
> should be designed so that all the spaces are sized for an Excursion or a
> Hummer. These "COMPACT" spaces are just the result of poor design/layout.
>
>
>>I was a passenger in a Toyota Land Bruiser once and the driver squeezed
>>into a space meant for compacts. There was no way the driver next to
>>him was getting back into his car unless he crawled through the sunroof.
>> I "joked" to him that his car was hardly a compact and he replied,
>>without irony, "I don't want to have to walk." (The compact spaces were
>>a little closer to the store.)
>
>
> This is why there should be no "COMPACT" spaces - there will always be some
> asshole who tries to cheat.
>

Hmmm...yeah I agree.

What's annoying is the fact that it's against the law to rob banks.
There will always be some asshole who tries to steal money anyway.



John

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The Ancient One wrote:

> I normally park as far away as possible, no worries then about people
> hitting me with doors, runaway shopping carts, or anything else.
>
You clearly have never been to the San Francisco Bay Area. Here there's
no such thing as "far away as possible." If you can find a space in a
parking lot at all, you shed tears of joy.



John

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So who's really in the details, God or the devil?

 

"The Lindbergh Baby" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> The Ancient One wrote:
>
> > I normally park as far away as possible, no worries then about people
> > hitting me with doors, runaway shopping carts, or anything else.
> >
> You clearly have never been to the San Francisco Bay Area. Here there's
> no such thing as "far away as possible." If you can find a space in a
> parking lot at all, you shed tears of joy.

Never been to California at all. Here there are always spots on the fringes.

>
>
>
> John
>
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>


 
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:05:25 -0500, "The Ancient One"
<[email protected]>

>
>"The Lindbergh Baby" <[email protected]> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> The Ancient One wrote:
>>
>> > I normally park as far away as possible, no worries then about people
>> > hitting me with doors, runaway shopping carts, or anything else.
>> >
>> You clearly have never been to the San Francisco Bay Area. Here there's
>> no such thing as "far away as possible." If you can find a space in a
>> parking lot at all, you shed tears of joy.
>
>Never been to California at all. Here there are always spots on the fringes.

I've seen places where these "fringes" are over a mile away, and even
then, it's hard to find an empty space.

>
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>> --
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>>
>> So who's really in the details, God or the devil?
>>
>

 
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:58:29 -0800, Scott in Aztlan
<[email protected]>

>On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:39:31 GMT, The Lindbergh Baby
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>What's annoying is when they park in the COMPACT spaces.
>
>What's annoying to me is the fact that "COMPACT" spaces even exist. The lot
>should be designed so that all the spaces are sized for an Excursion or a
>Hummer. These "COMPACT" spaces are just the result of poor design/layout.

It must be nice to live where there is an infinite amount of real
estate.

>
>>I was a passenger in a Toyota Land Bruiser once and the driver squeezed
>>into a space meant for compacts. There was no way the driver next to
>>him was getting back into his car unless he crawled through the sunroof.
>> I "joked" to him that his car was hardly a compact and he replied,
>>without irony, "I don't want to have to walk." (The compact spaces were
>>a little closer to the store.)
>
>This is why there should be no "COMPACT" spaces - there will always be some
>asshole who tries to cheat.

That's why there should always be tow trucks on call.
 
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:46:21 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] wrote:

>In rec.autos.driving Scott in Aztlan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> What's annoying to me is the fact that "COMPACT" spaces even exist. The lot
>> should be designed so that all the spaces are sized for an Excursion or a
>> Hummer. These "COMPACT" spaces are just the result of poor design/layout.
>
>Well, if you can fit more cars in the space if people would be willing to
>actually pay attention to where they park

Sure, we can do a lot of great things if you can count on people not to be
assholes. Unfortunately, you will never be able to count on that, so best to
plan accordingly.

As Donald Trump likes to say, "cover the downside, and the upside will take care
of itself."

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:27:45 -0500, "SBlackfoot" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>> I normally park as far away as possible, no worries then about people
>> hitting me with doors, runaway shopping carts, or anything else.
>
>
>Exactly. Plus there's less problems with driving through lanes full of
>pedestrians.

Not to mention SUV-driving soccer moms parked cop style (driver's-door to
driver's-door) having a little chat...

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:58:26 -0700, Al Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>What's annoying is when they park in the COMPACT spaces.
>>
>>What's annoying to me is the fact that "COMPACT" spaces even exist. The lot
>>should be designed so that all the spaces are sized for an Excursion or a
>>Hummer. These "COMPACT" spaces are just the result of poor design/layout.
>
>It must be nice to live where there is an infinite amount of real
>estate.

What good are painted lines that try to suggest efficient use of real estate
when there are an infinite number of assholes who will ignore the lines and do
whatever the hell they want?

>>This is why there should be no "COMPACT" spaces - there will always be some
>>asshole who tries to cheat.
>
>That's why there should always be tow trucks on call.

What a utopia you must inhabit!

I used to live in a city where, by law, you could call the towing company
directly whenever a vehicle was parked illegally on your property (e.g. in your
reserved space in the apartment complex). Invariably, when you call them, they
arrive well after the perpetrator has departed.

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:23:52 -0800, Scott in Aztlan
<[email protected]>

>On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:58:26 -0700, Al Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>>What's annoying is when they park in the COMPACT spaces.
>>>
>>>What's annoying to me is the fact that "COMPACT" spaces even exist. The lot
>>>should be designed so that all the spaces are sized for an Excursion or a
>>>Hummer. These "COMPACT" spaces are just the result of poor design/layout.
>>
>>It must be nice to live where there is an infinite amount of real
>>estate.
>
>What good are painted lines that try to suggest efficient use of real estate
>when there are an infinite number of assholes who will ignore the lines and do
>whatever the hell they want?
>
>>>This is why there should be no "COMPACT" spaces - there will always be some
>>>asshole who tries to cheat.
>>
>>That's why there should always be tow trucks on call.
>
>What a utopia you must inhabit!

I said "should be" - generally, these are lots owned by some business
who are reluctant to tow their customers (or tenants).

>
>I used to live in a city where, by law, you could call the towing company
>directly whenever a vehicle was parked illegally on your property (e.g. in your
>reserved space in the apartment complex). Invariably, when you call them, they
>arrive well after the perpetrator has departed.

I've got a friend who won't hesitate to call the city to have cars towed
when their blocking his driveway - and they usually get there in time.
It doesn't happen very often, and they usually don't completely block
it, but he shouldn't have to drive over his curb to leave home.
 
Scott in Aztlan wrote:
> What's annoying to me is the fact that "COMPACT" spaces even exist. The lot
> should be designed so that all the spaces are sized for an Excursion or a
> Hummer. These "COMPACT" spaces are just the result of poor design/layout.

True, but that poor design/layout is nearly always mandated by local zoning
authorities who insist that parking lots be "landscaped" (contain needless
obstacles such as islands and trees). What's wrong with plain old flat
pavement and plenty of it?
 
"John David Galt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Scott in Aztlan wrote:
> > What's annoying to me is the fact that "COMPACT" spaces even exist. The lot
> > should be designed so that all the spaces are sized for an Excursion or a
> > Hummer. These "COMPACT" spaces are just the result of poor design/layout.
>
> True, but that poor design/layout is nearly always mandated by local zoning
> authorities who insist that parking lots be "landscaped" (contain needless
> obstacles such as islands and trees). What's wrong with plain old flat
> pavement and plenty of it?

To make sure that people don't drive like fools, duh.

I used to have an office overlooking one of those plain old flat pavement lots
with nothing but stripes to impede. There were car-car collisions at least once
a week and car-ped incidents at least once every couple of months.

Jim


 
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