Anyone have a Defender 3.9 V8? Need help!

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Shippers said:
It won't he's putting it through a matriculation inspection not a road inspection, different, the vehicle has to conform to type approval as original build spec.
Remember this is to obtain a Portuguese log book not a certificate of road worthiness.
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Is that similar to what we may have called a VIC ?
 
Dippypud said:
Is that similar to what we may have called a VIC ?
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VIC ? Not sure what that is.
Matriculation is re registering in Portugal.Inspection is mot which is done by a centre not a garage if it fails you repair yourself or go to a garage for work then take back within 4wks fail again then you have 2wks there are other conditions that can be applied re carrying passengers etc.
Matriculation inspection requires vehicle to be roadworthy and conform to spec and have type approval from manufacturer or one agreed by them in Land-Rovers case it's Fiaal the main dealer they issue a certificate which you must present at the centre when matriculation inspection is done,this is the point I'm at my 101 is on an export certificate from uk not in my name and has been here since 2002 it doesn't have a V5 as that was surrendered in the UK my agent has obtained all necessary docs from main dealer,IMT "vehicle licencing" to register it as a commercial due to having only 2 seats it has sat for 12 yrs under a tree 5yrs ago I met the owner and last year he sold it to me it will be registered in his name on the new Portuguese documents then transferred into my name reason being he has to sign for everything up to the number plates. So if myslf and my mechanic mate can sort misfire when it warms up and bleed brakes tomorrow then it's lowloader and inspection Tuesday (were doing a barbeque and beers at the same time so Mondays out lol).
 
Shippers said:
VIC ? Not sure what that is.
Matriculation is re registering in Portugal.Inspection is mot which is done by a centre not a garage if it fails you repair yourself or go to a garage for work then take back within 4wks fail again then you have 2wks there are other conditions that can be applied re carrying passengers etc.
Matriculation inspection requires vehicle to be roadworthy and conform to spec and have type approval from manufacturer or one agreed by them in Land-Rovers case it's Fiaal the main dealer they issue a certificate which you must present at the centre when matriculation inspection is done,this is the point I'm at my 101 is on an export certificate from uk not in my name and has been here since 2002 it doesn't have a V5 as that was surrendered in the UK my agent has obtained all necessary docs from main dealer,IMT "vehicle licencing" to register it as a commercial due to having only 2 seats it has sat for 12 yrs under a tree 5yrs ago I met the owner and last year he sold it to me it will be registered in his name on the new Portuguese documents then transferred into my name reason being he has to sign for everything up to the number plates. So if myslf and my mechanic mate can sort misfire when it warms up and bleed brakes tomorrow then it's lowloader and inspection Tuesday (were doing a barbeque and beers at the same time so Mondays out lol).
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-vic-scheme

Withdrawn in 2015 ...
 
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We like pics any of your's this is the 101 I'm matriculating
 
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95LSE said:
Well if you are ever around you are more than welcome!

I also have extended experience in modified cars and bureaucrats throughout Europe and experience has taught me dont fight them, give them what they want!

The vehicle has a custom wood interior thoughout and many other modifications but their only issue seems to be the engine, so if I can get that then Im sorted.
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They don't give a monkeys about your "custom wood interior or other mods" they won't accept the vehicle does not conform to what the VIN plate indicates what engine should be fitted that's why your asking for help, fit the correct engine and then you'll maybe find the other mods will be a problem ...
It seems to me that your "extended experience" has not reached Portugal yet lol.
I'll meet for a beer anytime where you based.
 
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95LSE said:
Guys, its very simple, Im sure you all know your stuff but what I need is someone with a V8 90 to go to a specific MOT Station in Southern England and pass the MOT, Ive already arranged everything with the MOT station. In exchange for helping me out I am more than happy to pay fairly for their time.

Why do I need this? Its the only way to get my car registered in Portugal.

Anyone who can help please contact me, thanks!

And to the rest of you with you snide comments, find something better to do with your time ;)
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You wouldn't tell us what benefit someone taking their Land Rover to an MOT station in southern England (what does the geographical location have to do with anything) had for you, or which piece of information or other metric you were looking for...

I doubt anyone is going to jump in their V8 90 and head down to the MoT station, pay for this and risk it failing because someone on a forum, who, with all due respect is not well known, requests it. For all we know this could be an elaborate scam.
 
95LSE said:
Arent you an entertaining bunch? There is no fiddle, no dodgy. MOT Station inspects the Defender as a similar one to my one, confirms that it can be given an MOT in Uk and is Valid, I then present this document to the portuguese authorities and they allow me to register my car. Simple, not illegal, not fiddling so again, if anyone can help please message me. Thank you!

My amount of posts are irrelevant, Im asking for help and willing to pay the person who helps me, kindly stop trying to make it out to be something it isnt.

I dont need the original certificate, a copy will suffice.

A bit of advice to some of you: try to talk to me and everyone else in the forum as if we were sitting in front of each other and not hiding behind a computer screen ;)
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I have a Defender that has had 3 engines in it, it came with a 2.5 Petrol, it then had a 2.5NA and now a 300tdi - each time I sent back my V5 with an engine update, new logbook came back with new engine no. and engine type - no questions asked, as simple as that. If I wrote Volvo 2.4 D5 engine, they would put that on my logbook - the MoTer doesn't give a monkeys what engine is in it, as long as the details more or less match up (they don't look closely) and the thing isn't hanging out or spewing black smoke.

So, getting a UK MoT really is not proof of anything, it is proof our system is easy enough to update details and no one actually checks.

The number of posts you have posted is relevant, no one here knows you, you could have cooked up a scam (sorry but lets face it) and you will do this again next month on another forum. The more posts and the longer you are about gives you some credibility and the longer you are on a forum the more likely to meet or deal with people in real life. No one has an issue with a new member, we all need to start somewhere but like any relationship you need to gain trust and without that people cannot be expected to go to any sort of lengths beyond free forum advice.

I think we can now see what you are trying to do, but I don't see why the Portuguese vehicle authorities would accept a UK MoT, which is just a sheet of unofficial looking A4 paper that has some other Land Rover's details on it as proof of anything.
 
discomania said:
I have a Defender that has had 3 engines in it, it came with a 2.5 Petrol, it then had a 2.5NA and now a 300tdi - each time I sent back my V5 with an engine update, new logbook came back with new engine no. and engine type - no questions asked, as simple as that. If I wrote Volvo 2.4 D5 engine, they would put that on my logbook - the MoTer doesn't give a monkeys what engine is in it, as long as the details more or less match up (they don't look closely) and the thing isn't hanging out or spewing black smoke.

So, getting a UK MoT really is not proof of anything, it is proof our system is easy enough to update details and no one actually checks.

The number of posts you have posted is relevant, no one here knows you, you could have cooked up a scam (sorry but lets face it) and you will do this again next month on another forum. The more posts and the longer you are about gives you some credibility and the longer you are on a forum the more likely to meet or deal with people in real life. No one has an issue with a new member, we all need to start somewhere but like any relationship you need to gain trust and without that people cannot be expected to go to any sort of lengths beyond free forum advice.

I think we can now see what you are trying to do, but I don't see why the Portuguese vehicle authorities would accept a UK MoT, which is just a sheet of unofficial looking A4 paper that has some other Land Rover's details on it as proof of anything.
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As I said before they wont.
 
No update to questions from any of us...why ask for help...must be on holiday again..




Maybe my sarcasim might get a response it normally does lol
 
Shifty1962 said:
I'm bored with this now.
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Yes know what you mean i'm interested only cause i live in portugal and have some experience in what he wants to do and i dont beleive in the op's explanations about himself or his vehicle,would like to be proved wrong though lol
 
So Ive spent about 30 mins going through all your replies, some genuinely want to help, some want to show themselves for the fool they are and some have a mix of both.

Turboman said:
Well, if there is type approval, a non standard item is likely to be a red rag to a bull as far as the authorities are concerned.

If they are happy with the certificate, then an entry on the database should be same difference.

Or maybe try thinking outside the box. How about if you were to re-install a standard 19j, MOT or Portuguese equivalent, and then change engine number on the Portuguese docs later?
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They asked me for an MOT of my car and I would rather not transport it back and forth so they said if I get an MOT of a similar one they will put it through, Dont understand what you mean about changin the engine number but Id rather not.

Shifty1962 said:
From what I can work out you have a 90 with a V8 fitted but the original car was registered with a 2.5Td? Not an uncommon modification for Land Rovers.

Where and who fitted the V8? If it was done here in the UK the vehicle would have needed to go for an SVA single vehicle type approval inspection at which point, having spent the money for the conversion and the SVA exam, why would the owner not send away the registration docs to have them updated backed up by the SVA pass certificate?

If you have done, or had done, the work in Portugal they must have a similar process for making such changes and recording the fact that it has been done safely and to current vehicle construction and use regulations relevant for the country?

It matters not that somebody else may have fitted a V8 or even a lawn mower engine to their car and subsequently had it inspected and passed as fit for the road in the UK or anywhere else. It is your vehicle that needs the inspection and documentation. The fact that V8 90s were made by LR is not hard to confirm especially by the Tuga authorities which is what you seem to be asking for. Why not put your 90 on the ferry and take it along to the "specified" MOT station and get it MOTd properly? That way there could be no confusion or hint that anything is amiss.

And just for the record, I would speak exactly as I find to anyone stood in front of me as that way there could be no doubt or confusion about what or how I said anything.
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The V8 was installed and fitted in Spain, if I can get a copy of a certificate of a UK MOT of another car they will put it through so why should I start ferrying it around and incurr unecessary expenses.

capo said:
Due to your lack of clarity it appears that you are asking people on the forum to do something illegal.
A UK MoT for a UK registered V8 90 won't be any use as the MoT certificate will relate to that vehicle only.
If you can bothered to explain why you need a UK MoT folk would be less suspicious and more helpful!
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Due to your lack of intelligence you must be a monkey. Ive explained many times and this is exhausting!

Oldseadog said:
If it was taken to Portugal after 2005, the OP must have the original number plate details, and can check the MoT history here ...
https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history
Otherwise I would smell something rather nasty and rodent-like!
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The car has been in Spain & Portugal for a long time, it is not stolen and there are no rodents thank you.

Shippers said:
OK I appreciate you've been on holiday and haven't replied....But
As I said before you have to have a certificate from Landrover which has a hologram which confirms the specification of the vehicle there is no other way round this forget uk mot certificate they will not matriculate it without it,mine cost along with the IMMT paperwork 200€ from Fiaal in Faro.
The emmisions tax is on a sliding scale for matriculation post 2007 depending on status, doesn't matter when vehicle arrived here,yours will pay full whack circa 14,000€ not to be confused with i
mport tax by the way.
How long has the vehicle been here was it on export when it arrived or reported as being matriculated on arrival.
As I said before if it has been modified it will not conform for matriculation ever.
Where's it's current UK mot or is it another illegal UK plated vehicle exceeded its time limit out of the UK running around untaxed no mot and invalid insurance.
If it was legal you wouldn't need help as you'd have relevant documentation,and yes it does need UK road tax to be legal here before someone says otherwise.
As said before I am at the moment matriculating a 101 forward control 3.5v8 all standard and matching numbers and they check everything believe me with photographic evidence before you get to the matriculation inspection which is different to the road inspection.
Good Luck
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The car is currently in Spain and not being driven so its declared as off the road.

Shippers said:
They don't give a monkeys about your "custom wood interior or other mods" they won't accept the vehicle does not conform to what the VIN plate indicates what engine should be fitted that's why your asking for help, fit the correct engine and then you'll maybe find the other mods will be a problem ...
It seems to me that your "extended experience" has not reached Portugal yet lol.
I'll meet for a beer anytime where you based.
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Im not putting the diesel engine in, I want to keep the petrol one. My experience is in Spain and the rest of europe. Next time youre in southern Spain let me know!

goonarmy said:
This all sounds grade A dodgy being done by someone out of their depth. It ain't gonna happen.
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And you sir sound like a fool who has nothing better to do than to question my motives as to what Im doing.

discomania said:
You wouldn't tell us what benefit someone taking their Land Rover to an MOT station in southern England (what does the geographical location have to do with anything) had for you, or which piece of information or other metric you were looking for...

I doubt anyone is going to jump in their V8 90 and head down to the MoT station, pay for this and risk it failing because someone on a forum, who, with all due respect is not well known, requests it. For all we know this could be an elaborate scam.
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Well dont you have a wild immagination? how could it be a scam? Im not obliging anyone to do anything, southern England is where I have a MOT station I usually use and they know what I need, which Ive already explained.

discomania said:
I have a Defender that has had 3 engines in it, it came with a 2.5 Petrol, it then had a 2.5NA and now a 300tdi - each time I sent back my V5 with an engine update, new logbook came back with new engine no. and engine type - no questions asked, as simple as that. If I wrote Volvo 2.4 D5 engine, they would put that on my logbook - the MoTer doesn't give a monkeys what engine is in it, as long as the details more or less match up (they don't look closely) and the thing isn't hanging out or spewing black smoke.

So, getting a UK MoT really is not proof of anything, it is proof our system is easy enough to update details and no one actually checks.

The number of posts you have posted is relevant, no one here knows you, you could have cooked up a scam (sorry but lets face it) and you will do this again next month on another forum. The more posts and the longer you are about gives you some credibility and the longer you are on a forum the more likely to meet or deal with people in real life. No one has an issue with a new member, we all need to start somewhere but like any relationship you need to gain trust and without that people cannot be expected to go to any sort of lengths beyond free forum advice.

I think we can now see what you are trying to do, but I don't see why the Portuguese vehicle authorities would accept a UK MoT, which is just a sheet of unofficial looking A4 paper that has some other Land Rover's details on it as proof of anything.
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My uk papers fully document the v8 engine with the engine number, thats not the issue. The issue is entertaining the portuguese authorities with what they request. I dont question what they want Im simply trying to get it, and I get what youre saying that no one knows me but I honeslty dont have the time to butter anyone up. Ive told the forum what I need and If anyone is willing to help please message me

Shippers said:
No update to questions from any of us...why ask for help...must be on holiday again..
Maybe my sarcasim might get a response it normally does lol
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Oh I love sarcasm and I might not have the same amount of time as you guys to be on here all the time but honestly many of you are being downright C*N*S

Shifty1962 said:
I'm bored with this now.
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me too since all you guys want to do is probe at me, call me a scammer, that Im doing dodgy / ilegal things and have no interest in helping

Turboman said:
Yes. Beginning to get the feeling OP is not going to return.
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Wouldnt you love that?

Shippers said:
Yes know what you mean i'm interested only cause i live in portugal and have some experience in what he wants to do and i dont beleive in the op's explanations about himself or his vehicle,would like to be proved wrong though lol
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Ill gladly prove you wrong, and here it is one last time as I see some of you are a bit slow:

- Portuguese Registry Office have asked me to provide them with an MOT of my car, in order to save transporting it there they have agreed and will settle for an MOT of another 90 V8 to see that it is legal in the UK (country of origin / registration) therefore I have come to this forum to see if anyone can be of assistance, if you can great, if you have suggestions on how else to go about it please keep them to yourselves and if you want to dick me about then come down and do it in person.

To satisfy your curiosity here is the car: http://www.cohencunild.com/listing/land-rover-defender-v8-svx-special-build/
 
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95LSE said:
So Ive spent about 30 mins going through all your replies, some genuinely want to help, some want to show themselves for the fool they are and some have a mix of both.



They asked me for an MOT of my car and I would rather not transport it back and forth so they said if I get an MOT of a similar one they will put it through, Dont understand what you mean about changin the engine number but Id rather not.



The V8 was installed and fitted in Spain, if I can get a copy of a certificate of a UK MOT of another car they will put it through so why should I start ferrying it around and incurr unecessary expenses.



Due to your lack of intelligence you must be a monkey. Ive explained many times and this is exhausting!



The car has been in Spain & Portugal for a long time, it is not stolen and there are no rodents thank you.



The car is currently in Spain and not being driven so its declared as off the road.



Im not putting the diesel engine in, I want to keep the petrol one. My experience is in Spain and the rest of europe. Next time youre in southern Spain let me know!


And you sir sound like a fool who has nothing better to do than to question my motives as to what Im doing.



Well dont you have a wild immagination? how could it be a scam? Im not obliging anyone to do anything, southern England is where I have a MOT station I usually use and they know what I need, which Ive already explained.



My uk papers fully document the v8 engine with the engine number, thats not the issue. The issue is entertaining the portuguese authorities with what they request. I dont question what they want Im simply trying to get it, and I get what youre saying that no one knows me but I honeslty dont have the time to butter anyone up. Ive told the forum what I need and If anyone is willing to help please message me



Oh I love sarcasm and I might not have the same amount of time as you guys to be on here all the time but honestly many of you are being downright C*N*S

me too since all you guys want to do is probe at me, call me a scammer, that Im doing dodgy / ilegal things and have no interest in helping

Wouldnt you love that?


Ill gladly prove you wrong, and here it is one last time as I see some of you are a bit slow:

- Portuguese Registry Office have asked me to provide them with an MOT of my car, in order to save transporting it there they have agreed and will settle for an MOT of another 90 V8 to see that it is legal in the UK (country of origin / registration) therefore I have come to this forum to see if anyone can be of assistance, if you can great, if you have suggestions on how else to go about it please keep them to yourselves and if you want to dick me about then come down and do it in person.

To satisfy your curiosity here is the car: http://www.cohencunild.com/listing/land-rover-defender-v8-svx-special-build/

This is my shop http://www.cohencunild.com/

I know many big UK Car Dealers

Ive been on LRO forum for years with the username V8

And my name is Mitchell Francis Cunild, look me up, check my police record, do what you want but stop messing me around.
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You've got a motor you can't use or flog. Who's the fool. All sorts of dodgy.
 
Im honestly surprised, I always thought fellow Land Rover owners were good people but I guess there are exceptions!
 
95LSE said:
Im honestly surprised, I always thought fellow Land Rover owners were good people but I guess there are exceptions!
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You've lined up specific test station to mot a specific type of motor to pass a test that you don't specifically own? That's not good right there.
 
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