No update because I was on holiday, is that ok with you?
Anyone have a Defender 3.9 V8? Need help!
- Thread starter 95LSE
- Start date
This site contains affiliate links for which LandyZone may be compensated if you make a purchase.
No update because I was on holiday, is that ok with you?
Turboman
Mab An Gov
- Posts
- 60,151
- Location
- Lathrowda, Kernow
Arent you an entertaining bunch? There is no fiddle, no dodgy. MOT Station inspects the Defender as a similar one to my one, confirms that it can be given an MOT in Uk and is Valid, I then present this document to the portuguese authorities and they allow me to register my car. Simple, not illegal, not fiddling so again, if anyone can help please message me. Thank you!
My amount of posts are irrelevant, Im asking for help and willing to pay the person who helps me, kindly stop trying to make it out to be something it isnt.
I dont need the original certificate, a copy will suffice.
A bit of advice to some of you: try to talk to me and everyone else in the forum as if we were sitting in front of each other and not hiding behind a computer screen
Personally, I wouldn't give anyone my MOT certificate, or a copy. But maybe I am not a trusting person.
Are you aware that there is an online database of MOTs? Would the Portuguese authorities be willing to have a look at that? Should be V8 Nineties on that.
Strikes me that your problem is not the V8, there is plenty of documented evidence that V8 Nineties do exist, and were produced by the LAndrover factory.
Your problem is that your vehicle, which, incidentally is a NInety, not a Defender, has been fitted with a replacement engine.
I am also slightly surprised that someone who says they restore and customize landrovers does not know the difference between a Ninety and a Defender 90.
Turboman
Mab An Gov
- Posts
- 60,151
- Location
- Lathrowda, Kernow
Arent you an entertaining bunch? There is no fiddle, no dodgy. MOT Station inspects the Defender as a similar one to my one, confirms that it can be given an MOT in Uk and is Valid, I then present this document to the portuguese authorities and they allow me to register my car. Simple, not illegal, not fiddling so again, if anyone can help please message me. Thank you!
My amount of posts are irrelevant, Im asking for help and willing to pay the person who helps me, kindly stop trying to make it out to be something it isnt.
I dont need the original certificate, a copy will suffice.
A bit of advice to some of you: try to talk to me and everyone else in the forum as if we were sitting in front of each other and not hiding behind a computer screen
We are entertaining.
And I doubt if anyone has said anything they would not say in person. I certainly haven't.
Turboman
Mab An Gov
- Posts
- 60,151
- Location
- Lathrowda, Kernow
Not sure what is smartass about what I, or anyone else, has said?
You might try listening to the sensible advice you have been given.
And I could be wrong, but I doubt if anyone will help you. And there are plenty of other threads I can comment on, and I often do!
Well if youre ever in southern spain / portugal be sure to send me a message and we can have a beer and I can show you what I build and see what you say then!
Turboman
Mab An Gov
- Posts
- 60,151
- Location
- Lathrowda, Kernow
Well if youre ever in southern spain / portugal be sure to send me a message and we can have a beer and I can show you what I build and see what you say then!
I will, although I have no plans to visit those areas at the moment.
And TBH, I am more interested in canal boats these days than landrovers. I do, however, have considerable experience of dealing with DVLA, and other vehicle related bureaucrats in the UK, although not in Portugal.
And, as I commented before, I suspect your problem is to do with the vehicle being modified. Do you by any chance have some variant of type approval in Portugal, as in Germany and some other European countries?
Or is the case that 95LSE wants evidence that a 3.9 V8 90 would go through a MOT test as a valid vehicle type?
Just a guess as 95LSE is very unclear as to what exactly they want a UK MOT for......if he/she was one of my students they'd get marked down for lack of clarity!
So 95LSE, no 'snide comments' here, just trying to ascertain what exactly you want and why?! On the face of it your request sounds 'fishy' to say the least.....
The problem may simply boil down to it being a converted 2.5TD; do they not approve conversions in Portugal?
Just a guess as 95LSE is very unclear as to what exactly they want a UK MOT for......if he/she was one of my students they'd get marked down for lack of clarity!
So 95LSE, no 'snide comments' here, just trying to ascertain what exactly you want and why?! On the face of it your request sounds 'fishy' to say the least.....
The problem may simply boil down to it being a converted 2.5TD; do they not approve conversions in Portugal?
Well if you are ever around you are more than welcome!
I also have extended experience in modified cars and bureaucrats throughout Europe and experience has taught me dont fight them, give them what they want!
The vehicle has a custom wood interior thoughout and many other modifications but their only issue seems to be the engine, so if I can get that then Im sorted.
I also have extended experience in modified cars and bureaucrats throughout Europe and experience has taught me dont fight them, give them what they want!
The vehicle has a custom wood interior thoughout and many other modifications but their only issue seems to be the engine, so if I can get that then Im sorted.
Turboman
Mab An Gov
- Posts
- 60,151
- Location
- Lathrowda, Kernow
Well, if there is type approval, a non standard item is likely to be a red rag to a bull as far as the authorities are concerned.
If they are happy with the certificate, then an entry on the database should be same difference.
Or maybe try thinking outside the box. How about if you were to re-install a standard 19j, MOT or Portuguese equivalent, and then change engine number on the Portuguese docs later?
Shifty1962
Well-Known Member
- Posts
- 4,209
- Location
- The Winchester Club - Englandshire
From what I can work out you have a 90 with a V8 fitted but the original car was registered with a 2.5Td? Not an uncommon modification for Land Rovers.
Where and who fitted the V8? If it was done here in the UK the vehicle would have needed to go for an SVA single vehicle type approval inspection at which point, having spent the money for the conversion and the SVA exam, why would the owner not send away the registration docs to have them updated backed up by the SVA pass certificate?
If you have done, or had done, the work in Portugal they must have a similar process for making such changes and recording the fact that it has been done safely and to current vehicle construction and use regulations relevant for the country?
It matters not that somebody else may have fitted a V8 or even a lawn mower engine to their car and subsequently had it inspected and passed as fit for the road in the UK or anywhere else. It is your vehicle that needs the inspection and documentation. The fact that V8 90s were made by LR is not hard to confirm especially by the Tuga authorities which is what you seem to be asking for. Why not put your 90 on the ferry and take it along to the "specified" MOT station and get it MOTd properly? That way there could be no confusion or hint that anything is amiss.
And just for the record, I would speak exactly as I find to anyone stood in front of me as that way there could be no doubt or confusion about what or how I said anything.
Where and who fitted the V8? If it was done here in the UK the vehicle would have needed to go for an SVA single vehicle type approval inspection at which point, having spent the money for the conversion and the SVA exam, why would the owner not send away the registration docs to have them updated backed up by the SVA pass certificate?
If you have done, or had done, the work in Portugal they must have a similar process for making such changes and recording the fact that it has been done safely and to current vehicle construction and use regulations relevant for the country?
It matters not that somebody else may have fitted a V8 or even a lawn mower engine to their car and subsequently had it inspected and passed as fit for the road in the UK or anywhere else. It is your vehicle that needs the inspection and documentation. The fact that V8 90s were made by LR is not hard to confirm especially by the Tuga authorities which is what you seem to be asking for. Why not put your 90 on the ferry and take it along to the "specified" MOT station and get it MOTd properly? That way there could be no confusion or hint that anything is amiss.
And just for the record, I would speak exactly as I find to anyone stood in front of me as that way there could be no doubt or confusion about what or how I said anything.
Last edited:
Due to your lack of clarity it appears that you are asking people on the forum to do something illegal.
A UK MoT for a UK registered V8 90 won't be any use as the MoT certificate will relate to that vehicle only.
If you can bothered to explain why you need a UK MoT folk would be less suspicious and more helpful!
A UK MoT for a UK registered V8 90 won't be any use as the MoT certificate will relate to that vehicle only.
If you can bothered to explain why you need a UK MoT folk would be less suspicious and more helpful!
neilly
Well-Known Member
- Posts
- 20,000
- Location
- Oxfordshireness
I always thought , that having looked at other posts from members in Portugal that modified / changed cars were a no go there.
May be wrong of course.
Anyway, as the original motor is an 86, I cannot remember if they had the 3.9 out then.
Cheers
May be wrong of course.
Anyway, as the original motor is an 86, I cannot remember if they had the 3.9 out then.
Cheers
Turboman
Mab An Gov
- Posts
- 60,151
- Location
- Lathrowda, Kernow
I think an 86 Ninety would have had a 3.5 V8, if it was a V8 petrol engined one in the first place.
neilly
Well-Known Member
- Posts
- 20,000
- Location
- Oxfordshireness
And has been stated iirc, it was not a V8 to start with.
I look forward to the OP explaining how by an owner of a V8 going to the MOT ctr he can get approval for his motor.
Cheers
Exactly!
Come on 95LSE, what's the story...?
My 1986 V8 90 was originally a 3.5; I don't think 3.9 were available as standard apart from the NAS version?
cooltide
sheep fancier
- Posts
- 2,570
- Location
- Over the hill
Don't think the a 3.9 (4.0) was available until 1998 50th anniversary in the UK.
I was quite fancied an ex mod kevlar prototype 1993 defender recently on eBay. It was a 3.5 on twin carbs. I checked and it was correct, surprising since lr could have easily fitted the model year with a 3.9 and efi.
As for passing mot, a big block v8 would pass as long as it passes emissions and is mounted securely
If it was taken to Portugal after 2005, the OP must have the original number plate details, and can check the MoT history here ...
https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history
Otherwise I would smell something rather nasty and rodent-like!
https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history
Otherwise I would smell something rather nasty and rodent-like!
OK I appreciate you've been on holiday and haven't replied....But
As I said before you have to have a certificate from Landrover which has a hologram which confirms the specification of the vehicle there is no other way round this forget uk mot certificate they will not matriculate it without it,mine cost along with the IMMT paperwork 200€ from Fiaal in Faro.
The emmisions tax is on a sliding scale for matriculation post 2007 depending on status, doesn't matter when vehicle arrived here,yours will pay full whack circa 14,000€ not to be confused with i
mport tax by the way.
How long has the vehicle been here was it on export when it arrived or reported as being matriculated on arrival.
As I said before if it has been modified it will not conform for matriculation ever.
Where's it's current UK mot or is it another illegal UK plated vehicle exceeded its time limit out of the UK running around untaxed no mot and invalid insurance.
If it was legal you wouldn't need help as you'd have relevant documentation,and yes it does need UK road tax to be legal here before someone says otherwise.
As said before I am at the moment matriculating a 101 forward control 3.5v8 all standard and matching numbers and they check everything believe me with photographic evidence before you get to the matriculation inspection which is different to the road inspection.
Good Luck
As I said before you have to have a certificate from Landrover which has a hologram which confirms the specification of the vehicle there is no other way round this forget uk mot certificate they will not matriculate it without it,mine cost along with the IMMT paperwork 200€ from Fiaal in Faro.
The emmisions tax is on a sliding scale for matriculation post 2007 depending on status, doesn't matter when vehicle arrived here,yours will pay full whack circa 14,000€ not to be confused with i
mport tax by the way.
How long has the vehicle been here was it on export when it arrived or reported as being matriculated on arrival.
As I said before if it has been modified it will not conform for matriculation ever.
Where's it's current UK mot or is it another illegal UK plated vehicle exceeded its time limit out of the UK running around untaxed no mot and invalid insurance.
If it was legal you wouldn't need help as you'd have relevant documentation,and yes it does need UK road tax to be legal here before someone says otherwise.
As said before I am at the moment matriculating a 101 forward control 3.5v8 all standard and matching numbers and they check everything believe me with photographic evidence before you get to the matriculation inspection which is different to the road inspection.
Good Luck
It won't he's putting it through a matriculation inspection not a road inspection, different, the vehicle has to conform to type approval as original build spec.
Remember this is to obtain a Portuguese log book not a certificate of road worthiness.
