Air to Springs

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i dont recall a london black cab having anything other than round headlights, do you have a pic please?
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This era of black cab uses regular 7" round lights, same as a Defender, RRC, Jags, Jeeps, Triumphs, Healeys and every American car from 1940 thru 1970 and so on. Norseman said the RRC lights didn't look the same, but they are exactly the same.

However, norseman also has some agenda to belittle p38s (and owners) because of the square lights and that there was a 1980s taxi that used square headlights. If you are half blind and being obtuse, a taxi is an SUV/estate car shape, like most 4x4s. But that's about it.
 
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This era of black cab uses regular 7" round lights, same as a Defender, RRC, Jags, Jeeps, Triumphs, Healeys and every American car from 1940 thru 1970 and so on. Norseman said the RRC lights didn't look the same, but they are exactly the same.

However, norseman also has some agenda to belittle p38s (and owners) because of the square lights and that there was a 1980s taxi that used square headlights. If you are half blind and being obtuse, a taxi is an SUV/estate car shape, like most 4x4s. But that's about it.
sorry i thought you said the back cab once had square lights like the p38/disco/freelander
my mistake
 
OK Gents. My Maxiscan MS509 OBDII scanner read quite a lot, but also couldn't read some of the embedded stuff so, a mixed bag of useful and useless information. My dash just reads EAS failure with the yellow car and up arrow light to highlight it has a suspension fault. In other news, I have discussed an air to spring conversion with my local LR garage - Tim at Alltrack Garage near Malvern. He's quoted £610 to fit a Terrafirma TF222 kit, which I thought was a very good price considering it includes parts, labour and Vat. As for my 19.2mpg, it's quoted from the dash and moves about +/-0.2mpg depending upon how I drive the car and for how long. I prefer to use E5 fuel because I'm concerned about the effect E10 fuel could have on any rubber components in the fuel line when exposed to 10% ethanol (E10). Thanks to Range Roller dt who reminded me of all the coil spring cars I've owned with no trouble and those without, that have. Starting with an Austin All Agro at the tender age of 18, its hydro-elastic suspension needed service and/or adjustment every MoT. Several years later, I bought a 1984, Scimitar GT fitted with Ford's Macpherson struts and a 2.8L Cologne engine. No problems to 250K miles. That was followed by a 4L Jaguar XJS, an XJR an XK8 and a Disco 2, followed by another XJS, none of which gave me any suspension failure. I've already mentioned the four Volvos with the same story. So, as much as I like the P38, the reliability of it's air suspension is **** poor compared to these other cars. I am going to try traditional springs just to remove the uncertainty of suspension failure from my thoughts. I have better things to think about and more entertaining problems to solve than this one and this conversion appears to be an easy fix to my suspension woes. Just for the record, I would own a P38 any day of the week compared to a battery operated eco car and although not perfect, at least a P38 can be fixed, which is a 100% improvement over an eco car that will keep you waiting hrs & hrs & hrs just to get refuelled or self combust or burn down your house if it's kept in a garage, all of which does and has happened. So, by that standard, a P38 is a model of reliability. :) Cheers.
 
He's quoted £610 to fit a Terrafirma TF222 kit, which I thought was a very good price considering it includes parts, labour and Vat.

Thats a cheap price, i am sure there will be add ons by the time they finish the job 🤔 . the "kit" alone is over 400quid with Vat.
So, as much as I like the P38, the reliability of it's air suspension is **** poor compared to these other cars. I am going to try traditional springs just to remove the uncertainty of suspension failure from my thoughts.

I am pretty sure you could fix it reliably for less than that kit+fitting price.
Does @kurtjohnson10 have any good valve blocks and compressors?

Maybe the headlights arent a problem for you, unless they point up in the air when you are loaded in the back and cant see crap and nor can the guy coming towards you. Just because older cars dont have/need it dont mean you should think its ok.

Now this is just my opinion, but you have paid the bulk with the new bags.

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Kermitt_RR. Thanks for the E10 advice. That'll save me £6 - £10 every time I fill my tank. Just to be clear, I'm not saying I know more than any other member but, I feel like a battered wife, just waiting for my next beating. By exchanging bags for springs, I'm removing the uncertainty of my next suspension failure. I'm happy many members have a glowing history with their air suspension but, my experience has been less than glowing these past three years and every battered wife has her limit. My car is too good to scrap so, this exchange is my compromise. However, I have listened and asked the garage to put all the bags 'n stuff in a big box just in case I change my mind in twelve months and want it all put back. It's off for suspension surgery next Monday, so I'll report post op. Cheers.
 
Kermitt_RR. Thanks for the E10 advice. That'll save me £6 - £10 every time I fill my tank. Just to be clear, I'm not saying I know more than any other member but, I feel like a battered wife, just waiting for my next beating. By exchanging bags for springs, I'm removing the uncertainty of my next suspension failure. I'm happy many members have a glowing history with their air suspension but, my experience has been less than glowing these past three years and every battered wife has her limit. My car is too good to scrap so, this exchange is my compromise. However, I have listened and asked the garage to put all the bags 'n stuff in a big box just in case I change my mind in twelve months and want it all put back. It's off for suspension surgery next Monday, so I'll report post op. Cheers.
99% of EAS glitches can be sorted on the road with the EAS software, not that they happen very often. Door lock micro ,switches are likely to be your next problem. a p38 without proper diagnostics is like being out in the rain with no umbrella, you will get soaked.
 
I admire your devotion to the cause but, with nearly fifty years of engineering behind me, my motto has always been KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid. A few months ago, I read a car article about whether peak car had occurred at the end of the 1990s. I would have set that date a decade earlier at the end of the 1980s. Cars from the 1970s were awful mainly because I remember owning and working on them. However, after the introduction of Japanese cars from 1960s, British and American car manufacturers eventually caught on and caught up, producing cars instead of rust buckets. In particular mechanical engineering enormously improved following the introduction of Finite Element Analysis into college, university and industry. Then they introduced plastics to make the car lighter and more efficient by lowering weight. Where they went wrong was the introduction of unnecessary electronics, which from a practical or theoretical perspective, must reduce reliability because reliability is inversely proportional to complexity. Electronic ignition and injection is my limit because everything else is an unnecessary toy, which adds weight. I assume everyone knows that Canbus was first introduced to cars in 1986 to minimise the projected cost, weight and complexity of a car loom. Now ask yourself why a simple headlamp cluster for a modern Land Rover or for any other modern car is £££££ these days and Canbus provides the answer. I understand the latest Tesla is fitted with 64 micro-processors to control every aspect of that vehicle and imagine the ££££ cost to diagnose a problem with one of those vehicles ??. The P38 was and still is a luxury car but, after 25yrs of hot, cold, wet, dry cycling, everything starts to fade and break. Plastics become brittle, crimp contacts corrode and fracture. That impressive feature on your car eventually becomes an irritation and that's the point I reached last Saturday after my suspension failed again. So back to KISS and simple mechanical springs and dampers. Cheers
 
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This era of black cab uses regular 7" round lights, same as a Defender, RRC, Jags, Jeeps, Triumphs, Healeys and every American car from 1940 thru 1970 and so on. Norseman said the RRC lights didn't look the same, but they are exactly the same.

However, norseman also has some agenda to belittle p38s (and owners) because of the square lights and that there was a 1980s taxi that used square headlights. If you are half blind and being obtuse, a taxi is an SUV/estate car shape, like most 4x4s. But that's about it.
I don't understand why you have chosen to use the term belittle as I never intended anything of the sort .. I'm sure my post concluded with the phrase 'no offence guys' but perhaps you missed that?

When it comes to headlights I was referring to the first pic of a cab, the one with slanted lights, not the FX4.

The perceived similarity of P38 body design to the MCW Metrocab was originally stated by a certain J. Clarkson on the TV programme Top Gear & his opinion was fairly widely shared by the motoring press back in 1994, but if it will appease irate P38 owners on here I will happily amend my statement to 'from certain angles' :oops:

Now where did I last see my tin hat?
 
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I don't understand why you have chosen to use the term belittle as I never intended anything of the sort .. I'm sure my post concluded with the phrase 'no offence guys' but perhaps you missed that?

When it comes to headlights I was referring to the first pic of a cab, the one with slanted lights, not the FX4.

The perceived similarity of P38 body design to the MCW Metrocab was originally stated by a certain J. Clarkson on the TV programme Top Gear & his opinion was fairly widely shared by the motoring press back in 1994, but if it will appease irate P38 owners on here I will happily amend my statement to 'from certain angles' :oops:

Now where did I last see my tin hat?
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.... No offense taken, you Leyland driver you😜
 
I admire your devotion to the cause but, with nearly fifty years of engineering behind me, my motto has always been KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid. A few months ago, I read a car article about whether peak car had occurred at the end of the 1990s. I would have set that date a decade earlier at the end of the 1980s. Cars from the 1970s were awful mainly because I remember owning and working on them. However, after the introduction of Japanese cars from 1960s, British and American car manufacturers eventually caught on and caught up, producing cars instead of rust buckets. In particular mechanical engineering enormously improved following the introduction of Finite Element Analysis into college, university and industry. Then they introduced plastics to make the car lighter and more efficient by lowering weight. Where they went wrong was the introduction of unnecessary electronics, which from a practical or theoretical perspective, must reduce reliability because reliability is inversely proportional to complexity. Electronic ignition and injection is my limit because everything else is an unnecessary toy, which adds weight. I assume everyone knows that Canbus was first introduced to cars in 1986 to minimise the projected cost, weight and complexity of a car loom. Now ask yourself why a simple headlamp cluster for a modern Land Rover or for any other modern car is £££££ these days and Canbus provides the answer. I understand the latest Tesla is fitted with 64 micro-processors to control every aspect of that vehicle and imagine the ££££ cost to diagnose a problem with one of those vehicles ??. The P38 was and still is a luxury car but, after 25yrs of hot, cold, wet, dry cycling, everything starts to fade and break. Plastics become brittle, crimp contacts corrode and fracture. That impressive feature on your car eventually becomes an irritation and that's the point I reached last Saturday after my suspension failed again. So back to KISS and simple mechanical springs and dampers. Cheers
If you want simple, perhaps you should have purchased a Classic or a Series. The P38 is not as complex as the models that came after it but sure as hell it's not simple. If you think getting rid of the EAS will leave you with a reliable car, all I can say is bonne chance.
 
Whilst there's no such thing as zero risk. you can mitigate obvious risk. Another EAS failure that would leave me and any passengers stranded in a cold dark night, miles from home can be avoided by removing the source of risk. Of course, I'm not removing risk, just moving it along a scale of risk - hopefully in the direction of less risk. Even a spring and damper combo can fail but, based upon my experience with springs and dampers and more recently EAS, springs and dampers return several orders of magnitude less risk than EAS. Current score: S & D = 0 in 35 yrs. EAS 5 times in three years. QED. :)
 
OK Gents. My Maxiscan MS509 OBDII scanner read quite a lot, but also couldn't read some of the embedded stuff so, a mixed bag of useful and useless information. My dash just reads EAS failure with the yellow car and up arrow light to highlight it has a suspension fault. In other news, I have discussed an air to spring conversion with my local LR garage - Tim at Alltrack Garage near Malvern. He's quoted £610 to fit a Terrafirma TF222 kit, which I thought was a very good price considering it includes parts, labour and Vat. As for my 19.2mpg, it's quoted from the dash and moves about +/-0.2mpg depending upon how I drive the car and for how long. I prefer to use E5 fuel because I'm concerned about the effect E10 fuel could have on any rubber components in the fuel line when exposed to 10% ethanol (E10). Thanks to Range
There are no rubber components in the fuel line that will be adversely affected by ethanol. When I am in France I run my P38 on E85 (85% bioethanol) which is half the price of E10. Like LPG the calorific density of ethanol is less than petrol so fuel consumption is reduced. I get 18mpg with E10 & 14mpg with E85.
 
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