Would he have done it to anything but a Range Rover

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Yeah maybe you do, i do as well, but from my experience, it just gives the typical road yob a percieved pass to assume you're at fault regardless.

It's people of your age that are the main problem on the roads. Maybe there are a few older people who drive to carefully for you. Will admit that some older people are a little doddery even for me and i am old believe me. But it's the cock sure younger end that cause most of the carnage.
 
It's people of your age that are the main problem on the roads. Maybe there are a few older people who drive to carefully for you. Will admit that some older people are a little doddery even for me and i am old believe me. But it's the cock sure younger end that cause most of the carnage.
Can't disagree with that. Most are either severely lacking in confidence or overly confident. 99% of which have no idea how the car works or how to maintain it. The doddery oldies tend to keep the collissions to the car park from my experience, not as likely to do 70 down country roads in the middle.
 
The day i passed i went to visit my girlfriend at the time. the 1 hour drive to farnham followed by the drive along the m25 to chessington absolutely terrified me. Totally different to driving around the Island and Havant that i was used to in the learning.

Getting dropped in the deep end helped in the long run i guess. P plates are a real curse though.

I dont agree with the way we use P plates in this country. They're voluntary and the driver is sitting with a full licence. Also there is no time limit for P plates, so someone who scraped through their test and like many out there are 'scared/nervous' when driving, they can leave them on for years, in fact forever. If they don't think they are up to driving with a full licence, they they shouldn't have it. I will give learners a break and allow them extra space , etc, note 'extra' not road regulations because I know they will be nervous and I don't know what they might do.. Learners in return have restrictions on their licence. For someone with a full licence , P plates or not, I expect them to know the rules of the road and abide by them. In fact someone on P plates should be bang up to scratch about the rules of the road and not breaking any of them, as they have recently been taught them and tested on them.
If people want P plates and want allowances made, despite having a full licence and it giving the same status as other full licence holders, then give back your full licence and let's bring in an intermediate licence with restrictions. Either in the manner of our colonial cousins in the southern hemisphere or our closer relatives in Ireland. That way they learn how to drive, not just pass a test, whilst not being expected to be able to play with the big boys straight away. They don't have the excuse of unregulated 'get out of jail free' plates , with people thinking they are new drivers , whereas the plate could have been on their car for years. Also if regulated and restrictions imposed, people, like myself, who,feel that if you are driving with a full licence, then you are subject to the same rules, will cut them a little slack because it will be obvious they have not long passed their test.
In case you hadn't gathered I detest P platers and cut them absolutely no slack whatsoever. :D
 
Can't disagree with that. Most are either severely lacking in confidence or overly confident. 99% of which have no idea how the car works or how to maintain it. The doddery oldies tend to keep the collissions to the car park from my experience, not as likely to do 70 down country roads in the middle.

I've been having a quick read of the stats and reasonings , etc, about older and younger drivers and whilst the 20-29yr old group dont come off very well from it, neither do the older drivers. There are loads of papers and research to be found but I think the following graph, although a few years out of date (couldnt find a better visual example more up to date) makes it quite obvious, nobody can claim their age as better than any other. Age and youth both bring their own problems to the table.
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Addit: I know the argument could be made , but what if one group killed the other. My thoughts are, if even only ten percent of each are to blame, it still shows there isn't a massive difference if using age as a factor of how much better you are as a driver.
 
I've been having a quick read of the stats and reasonings , etc, about older and younger drivers and whilst the 20-29yr old group dont come off very well from it, neither do the older drivers. There are loads of papers and research to be found but I think the following graph, although a few years out of date (couldnt find a better visual example more up to date) makes it quite obvious, nobody can claim their age as better than any other. Age and youth both bring their own problems to the table.
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Addit: I know the argument could be made , but what if one group killed the other. My thoughts are, if even only ten percent of each are to blame, it still shows there isn't a massive difference if using age as a factor of how much better you are as a driver.

I’ve also wondered how the stats would change if newly qualified drivers had limits set until a certain amount of time has elapsed in order to gain more experience

As a learner a day after passing there test can buy something like a 170 mph evo ,ins of course also a factor of even being able to obtain it

Some examples

non turbo car
Not allowed to get it chipped / modified
Restricted size of engine

More than likely I sound like an old misery

They do restrictions on learners with motor bikes so why not with cars, to also think how much damage that can be done with a vehicle

I’ll get off my soap box and hide behind the sofa , ;)
 
I’ve also wondered how the stats would change if newly qualified drivers had limits set until a certain amount of time has elapsed in order to gain more experience

As a learner a day after passing there test can buy something like a 170 mph evo ,ins of course also a factor of even being able to obtain it

Some examples

non turbo car
Not allowed to get it chipped / modified
Restricted size of engine

More than likely I sound like an old misery

They do restrictions on learners with motor bikes so why not with cars, to also think how much damage that can be done with a vehicle

I’ll get off my soap box and hide behind the sofa , ;)
Some countries to impose restrictions on new drivers, New Zealand is one I believe.
 
Most bad driving, is bad manners, not the inability to drive the vehicle.They know how,but chose not to​

Unless there not experienced enough of having 2-300 bhp under the bonnet and decide to hoof it in the wet and stack it
 
I’ve also wondered how the stats would change if newly qualified drivers had limits set until a certain amount of time has elapsed in order to gain more experience

As a learner a day after passing there test can buy something like a 170 mph evo ,ins of course also a factor of even being able to obtain it

Some examples

non turbo car
Not allowed to get it chipped / modified
Restricted size of engine

More than likely I sound like an old misery

They do restrictions on learners with motor bikes so why not with cars, to also think how much damage that can be done with a vehicle

I’ll get off my soap box and hide behind the sofa , ;)
Sound tolerant argument Gary.
 
I’ve also wondered how the stats would change if newly qualified drivers had limits set until a certain amount of time has elapsed in order to gain more experience

As a learner a day after passing there test can buy something like a 170 mph evo ,ins of course also a factor of even being able to obtain it

Some examples

non turbo car
Not allowed to get it chipped / modified
Restricted size of engine

More than likely I sound like an old misery

They do restrictions on learners with motor bikes so why not with cars, to also think how much damage that can be done with a vehicle

I’ll get off my soap box and hide behind the sofa , ;)

People keep mixing up age with ability, when it comes to drivers. I passed my test at 19yrs old. Ten years later my sister aged 32 passed hers. Despite lack of experience, her insurance , due to age alone , was lower than mine. Astounded, you bet I was.
She passed her test and that night went out and bought a 2,8i Volvo. Boy racers didnt have a look in, her right foot turned to lead the moment it got near the accelerator. Meanwhile, there am I , trained response driver, with a rash of driving qualifications under my belt, attending crash scenes as bread and butter work, only too aware of the dangers and because I was under 30, I was one of the bad guys.
There may be teenagers or twenty somethings causing havoc but they're not the only ones.There are people out there in their 50s and 60s , only just passing their test. There are also people in their 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s, who have driven for years, but are still terrifying. The worst are those who insist on telling us all how good a driver they are. Age doesn't make a jot of difference, being careful and considerate (which includes not going too fast or too slow), makes the difference.
I shall now get off my soap box and sit it beside yours ;)
 
So with the Ford & the Kia driving deliberately side by side to obstruct lanes 2 & 3 & the first lane solid nose to tail going slower than the other two how would that work? Please readnpost#39 paying particular attention to the sentancethat includes the line when the middle lane allows
The actual problem is that the gantry signs changed to indicate all lanes back in use - albeit with a speed limit - but the ****wit in the Kia hadn't noticed & thinks people are just going past in order to push into the queue further ahead of him & he's going to stop them.
Please readvpst#39 paying particular attention to the sentence that includes the words when the middle lane allows. :rolleyes:
 
People keep mixing up age with ability, when it comes to drivers. I passed my test at 19yrs old. Ten years later my sister aged 32 passed hers. Despite lack of experience, her insurance , due to age alone , was lower than mine. Astounded, you bet I was.
She passed her test and that night went out and bought a 2,8i Volvo. Boy racers didnt have a look in, her right foot turned to lead the moment it got near the accelerator. Meanwhile, there am I , trained response driver, with a rash of driving qualifications under my belt, attending crash scenes as bread and butter work, only too aware of the dangers and because I was under 30, I was one of the bad guys.
There may be teenagers or twenty somethings causing havoc but they're not the only ones.There are people out there in their 50s and 60s , only just passing their test. There are also people in their 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s, who have driven for years, but are still terrifying. The worst are those who insist on telling us all how good a driver they are. Age doesn't make a jot of difference, being careful and considerate (which includes not going too fast or too slow), makes the difference.
I shall now get off my soap box and sit it beside yours ;)

Spot on, pass go and collect a cake, :)

Indeed I’ve always considered the deciding factor , inexperienced being the main factor not age

My pops who is nearly 90 still drives, he asked to be assessed through advanced motorists and received high praise , he just wanted an honest opinion , he’s only been driving 80 x years;)

Just thinking by putting a restriction on the actual vehicle it at least allows experienced to be gained and not having a 200 bhp under there right foot

Also wonder how many get a false sense of security eith modern vehicles , ie with airbags / Abs etc thinking it will save them in every eventuality , but indeed that can be on another side of arrogance and not inexperience

Have u got the drinks then , might as well have one whilst sharing the soap box and waiting for others , lol
 
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