What did you do with your Range Rover today

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Enthusiastman said:
I really thought it would be the same case for me and a P38 albeit sadly it just turned in to the worse nightmare i have ever had when it comes to owning cars and trust me i have owned a lot over the years.

My other classics in my " mancave " are a concours condition 1973 Rover P5B saloon. I am the 3rd owner from new and it has a genuine 63k miles on the clock with one of the best history files you will ever see and read. Its a total one off minter.

I also own an equally mint 1978 Rolls Royce Silver Shadow 2 which again is as near to concours as you will get and only 46k miles on the clock from new.

I also own a MINT fully restored Red 1983 Vespa 50cc Special scooter in the full MOD/Quadrophenia guise with only 150 miles on the clock since its nut and bolt restoration completed last year.
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Wouldn't mind your Shadow, I have one although it is a 1977 S1 and it needs a full rebuild.
looked alright when my Granddad bought her though 25 or so years ago!
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What you done to yours?
 
DarthDude said:
At least with a Diesel you won't have any Rover v8 issues and you'll have fewer Lucas issues.

Sure- you're now facing an engine problem but don't think a v8 will be an improvement. It might just be the opposite
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And what Rover V8 issues are you talking about exactly, Lucarse also doesn't apply to the Thor V8 which is the best of the bunch ;)

The only real issue with the V8 is slipped liner, but contrary to popular belief they don't drop just randomly as people allude especially if the motor has been maintained...

You'll find far more diesel horror stories than V8 ones in this subforum ;)
 
Henry_b said:
And what Rover V8 issues are you talking about exactly, Lucarse also doesn't apply to the Thor V8 which is the best of the bunch ;)

The only real issue with the V8 is slipped liner, but contrary to popular belief they don't drop just randomly as people allude especially if the motor has been maintained...

You'll find far more diesel horror stories than V8 ones in this subforum ;)
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Really?

That's good to know. Aside from the migrating liner and Lucas issues, I've seen oil starvation in the cylinder heads, I've seen baked brake boosters (brake fluid spraying on exhaust manifold leading to roast P38) and I've also seen cracked somethingorother piston (I don't know what it's called but it's plastic) in the brake booster leading to a concrete hard brake pedal and no brakes... not to mention baked wiring from the added heat in the engine bay.

That's with my own eyes, over the years btw. Not from forum trawling.
 
DarthDude said:
Really?

That's good to know. Aside from the migrating liner and Lucas issues, I've seen oil starvation in the cylinder heads, I've seen baked brake boosters (brake fluid spraying on exhaust manifold leading to roast P38) and I've also seen cracked somethingorother piston (I don't know what it's called but it's plastic) in the brake booster leading to a concrete hard brake pedal and no brakes... not to mention baked wiring from the added heat in the engine bay.

That's with my own eyes, over the years btw. Not from forum trawling.
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The latter applies to the 94-98 Brake modulator a plastic washer item fails and crumbles which was rectified in 1998 I believe, only effected in hot countries..

The majority of the above doesn't apply to the engine, oil starvation in the top end only happens if the engine is neglected, and in that case not the engines fault.
 
DarthDude said:
Well it's I say vs you say and I'm quite happy to leave it at that.

:D
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Not really a matter of opinion running temp of the V8 is cooler in the P38's case, the V8 in the P38 vs the M51 the diesel runs hotter in the bay at least... ;) :)

People also try to stuff the Gems rad in the Diesel as it is bigger to help keep it cool especially in hot climates;)
 
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DarthDude said:
It's not that- it's the engine bay temperatures. The v8s are a lot hotter in the engine bay than the diesels, hence a lot more problems with wiring insulation, connectors and other rubber bits.
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Nope..

I'm sorry that is complete BS and not really a valid reason of why one is better than the other... ;)
 
Henry_b said:
Nope..

I'm sorry that is complete BS...
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Sure... so the brake booster failures and insulation and connector failures I've seen in v8s but nowhere near in diesels must be due to some other reason then. I've got 2 buddies whose v8s went up in smoke when the brake booster sprayed brake fluid all over the exhaust manifold who will be very relieved to hear that.

You're right. Congratulations.
 
DarthDude said:
Sure... so the brake booster failures and insulation and connector failures I've seen in v8s but nowhere near in diesels must be due to some other reason then. I've got 2 buddies whose v8s went up in smoke when the brake booster sprayed brake fluid all over the exhaust manifold who will be very relieved to hear that.

You're right. Congratulations.
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Yes like I said the problem was rectified in around 1998 it is a plastic washer in the brake MODULATOR that brakes down in excessive heat, and being that the climates that these failures are common in were where at the hotter end of the scale I'd say you'd get more of a failure rate, on the AULRO for example got alot if not the most of Modulator washer failures.

Try getting a Reading for your M51 coolant temperature, my V8 runs at 88c what about yours?

Also what causes plastic to fatigue and fail is constant hot/cold cycles, what is your point?

also there is quite a bit more air space for the Modulator when compared to the Diesel lol
if you want to get serious i'll get an IR thermometer reading of my Modulator.... ;)

That really has nothing to do with the engines themselves.
 
Henry_b said:
Yes like I said the problem was rectified in around 1998 it is a plastic washer in the brake MODULATOR that brakes down in excessive heat, and being that the climates that these failures are common in were where at the hotter end of the scale I'd say you'd get more of a failure rate, on the AULRO for example got alot if not the most of Modulator washer failures.

Try getting a Reading for your M51 coolant temperature, my V8 runs at 88c what about yours?

Also what causes plastic to fatigue and fail is constant hot/cold cycles, what is your point?

That really has nothing to do with the engines themselves.
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*sigh*

I've already said you're right. What more do you want?

@Enthusiastman is talking about getting a v8 RANGE ROVER P38. The whole thing. With the brake booster and the wiring and the everything, not just the engine. I'M saying that the v8 (the WHOLE CAR, not just the engine) may not be as big of an upgrade-reliability wise- than the diesel and might in fact be a move in the wrong direction if he's worried about reliability.

THAT'S my point. What's yours?
 
DarthDude said:
*sigh*

I've already said you're right. What more do you want?

@Enthusiastman is talking about getting a v8 RANGE ROVER P38. The whole thing. With the brake booster and the wiring and the everything, not just the engine. I'M saying that the v8 (the WHOLE CAR, not just the engine) may not be as big of an upgrade-reliability wise- than the diesel and might in fact be a move in the wrong direction if he's worried about reliability.

THAT'S my point. What's yours?
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I never wanted you do say I was "right" does nothing for me, just relaying info.. ;)

The P38 is a simple car to maintain compared to @Enthusiastman own 2 beautiful old Classics one which isn't known for it's simplicity.

The condition of P38's vary, you can get a minter of a V8 P38 "don't know why you're hung up on connectors and Modulators" or a Minter of a Diesel compared to a right POS..

Brittle connectors and Brake modulator issues aren't a worry, the former will happen to any car regardless of the engine, but to be fair i've never had connector issues even on 40+yr old cars and the latter won't apply especially since he is looking at 98 and newer cars.

I'm sure the he'll find a good'un..
 
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Actually I know v8s (the whole Range Rover) quite well, thank you- and not entirely vicariously, either.

That's why I'm saying that despite the fact that he has had a POS diesel, it doesn't mean that getting a v8 to replace it is going to give him any better reliability and might in fact be even worse. I cannot see how anybody who has lived any length of time with BOTH can soberly, or seriously even dispute that.

But if you're determined to, then I say "You're right" and hope you'll leave it at that, as I'm happy to.
 
DarthDude said:
Actually I know v8s (the whole Range Rover) quite well, thank you- and not entirely vicariously, either.

That's why I'm saying that despite the fact that he has had a POS diesel, it doesn't mean that getting a v8 to replace it is going to give him any better reliability and might in fact be even worse. I cannot see how anybody who has lived any length of time with BOTH can soberly, or seriously even dispute that.

But if you're determined to, then I say "You're right" and hope you'll leave it at that, as I'm happy to.
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That first point I would argue, when I asked what specific V8 issues you were referring you went of tirade recounting problems most of which were brake related and didn't even apply to the engine..

He could get a bad one regardless of engine like you say

And no..

You telling me i'm right does nothing for me, feel free to argue with facts please.. ;)
 
Henry_b said:
That first point I would argue, when I asked what specific V8 issues you were referring you went of tirade recounting problems most of which were brake related and didn't even apply to the engine..

He could get a bad one regardless of engine...

And no..

You telling me i'm right does nothing for me, feel free to argue with facts please.. ;)
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The fact is- you're right, and I'm sorry if that doesn't do anything for you.

:D
 
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