Jeep thing or sheep thing?

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On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 13:01:37 +0100, "Dori Schmetterling"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Looked at the Bat site. Of the features I need, it seems Outlook Express
>can do much the same. The biggest issue seems to me to be security, and
>isn't that taken care of by regular Norton AV updates?

No.

I like Microsoft mostly. However, there are major issues with
security holes. If you do not patch those holes, it is possible for
people to attack your system. Not every attack is a virus or trojan
horse.

>As regards manipulation of e-mail on a remote server, my ISP gives me web
>access to my POP3 account so can get to it from anywhere. As soon as I can
>log into my e-mail account directly I can download any work I have done; I
>send myself copies of any outgoing mail so that it arrives in my
>downloadable Inbox. In other words, this is entirely
>e-mail-client-independent. Does Bat! offer something superior?
>
>DAS

 
On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:50:11 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Daniel J. Stern" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:p[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Geoff wrote:
>> Outbreak Express? For news, let alone for mail?
>
>At the risk of being a total moron, what's better than Lookout Express for
>news and mail? And, is it free?
>

One is not a moron for not knowing something, that is called
ignorance. We are all ignorant of quite a bit, until we learn it. As
they say, ignorance is bliss - but that phrase is quite misused,
seeming to imply stupidity instead of simple lack of knowledge of a
particular area of study....

But I digress.

Agent is awesome, Free Agent is free but less awesome. XNews is
allegedly awesome, but I haven't used it. I heard it was free.
Netslut comes with a news reader that is superior to outhouse, so
probably does Mozilla and Opera. I believe there are at least two
other products I have seen comments on in the last couple days.

Try Googling for "free news reader". I did and got hits on Agent from
Forte, and a number of other products I never heard of.
 
On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 01:17:30 -0700, "Ted Mittelstaedt"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"DTJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> And please, don't whine about how a mac is better. It isn't. It is a
>> piece of hardware, and the software is what makes it work. Software
>> can be written to do the same thing on any platform. So please spare
>> us...
>
>Believe me, a Mac running OS X is far better UNIX workstation than
>a Sparc 5 running Solaris. As to the consumer desktop apps, well you
>want to run toy programs, of course a toy OS and a toy PC are going to
>run those better. Do you do your grocery shopping and kid carpooling
>in a Ferrari?

But you miss the real point, and confirm that when you say "running OS
X". The hardware is not superior to anything, and in fact is far over
priced. Although not as bad as anything Sun and some others ship.

A PC can do anything any other system can do. In fact, right now PCs,
Macs and other systems across the world are being used to search for
intelligent life outside our solar system. The application is what
does the work, and can be written for any platform. Hell, even minis
and main frames now have simulated GUIs.

The key issue is cost per instruction processed, and nothing beats the
PC for that for consumers and the overwhelming majority of businesses.
Even when you compare RISC vs. CISC, PCs win out.
 
<snip>
>
> Agent is awesome, Free Agent is free but less awesome. XNews is
> allegedly awesome, but I haven't used it. I heard it was free.
> Netslut comes with a news reader that is superior to outhouse, so
> probably does Mozilla and Opera. I believe there are at least two
> other products I have seen comments on in the last couple days.
>
> Try Googling for "free news reader". I did and got hits on Agent from
> Forte, and a number of other products I never heard of.

I like Xnews especially for downloading large files that are split up by
most news servers. I still use OE sometimes (like now), but more and more I
am getting used to Xnews. It is free and it can be downloaded here:

http://xnews.newsguy.com/#download

Chris


 

"Bobert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 03:03:28 GMT, DTJ <[email protected]> wrote:

> Point taken. I always heard "Mac's never crash". Then I had to
> work on a Mac at a publisher one day. Crashed it 3 times. The
> Mac people said "must be a hardware issue"... like that excused
> the fact that Mac's *do* crash, even though Mac people claim they
> don't.


That's absolute nonsense. Mac invented the little "bomb" that appears as often as the
infamous Windows "blue screen." Of course when a Mac crashes, your screen just freezes -
or you get a neat little message like, "Sorry a type XX error has occurred." That's nice!
People who say Macs never crash probably lived in Kansas and therefore thought the world
was flat. With Mac, you are constantly being urged to upgrade, upgrade, upgrade because
the very latest OS supposedly fixes all those unseen bugs. Many more upgrades (to the
next OS) than Windows. Now they have "risen" to the point where many earlier apps won't
run on the latest OS....

Then there's all those quaint functions like "rebuilding the desktop" and "zapping the
pram" which are annoying as hell; plus YOU (not the OS) has to allocate memory for each
app.

Macs are overpriced; I started out on them at work years ago (doing graphic design because
the powers that be "knew" that graphics could ONLY be done on a Mac - flat earthers again)
and when I went to invest in a home unit about lost it when I saw the prices...

Also, cruise through the software section of any store.... Remember Rosa Parks? She didn't
want to sit at the back of the bus but that's exactly where the Mac software is - stuffed
in a little obscure corner somewhere. And like I said, try running Topo USA on a Mac.
It's hardly a "toy" program and is quite beneficial for anyone who goes offroad.

Macs are alive because of a niche market: the fast dying non-converts in the graphics
field. Even there, more and more are switching to PCs simply because that's what the world
runs. Again I don't care. I will go with the flow. It's just that every time this debate
comes up, the same spurious claims are made.


 
On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 14:03:52 GMT, DTJ <[email protected]> wrote:

>In fact, right now PCs,
>Macs and other systems across the world are being used to search for
>intelligent life outside our solar system.

Since the search here on Earth has apparently failed, as demonstrated
by most usenet postings.

Bob
 
Dori Schmetterling wrote:

> BTW, we don't have "British" accents in Britain! We certainly have
> many varieties of accent, but not anything known as "British", not
> even collectively...
>
> There are English accents, Welsh and Scottish accents and even Irish
> accents in the UK, never mind Estuary (a new term), Scouse...

Not to mention Manc, Brummie, Geordie (try looking up the Windaz Too
Thoosand email joke for the last) and many others... some of which can
be almost incomprehensible to each other.

Back to the Jag-yew-ar thing, it's not the only word in which we
pronounce the U that way - 'music' (myew-zik / myoo-zik) and 'stupid'
spring to mind immediately.

And yeah, I agree - the O in 'forest' is closest to 'hot' (no, not
'haat' or 'fawrest').

Jonny

>
> Even though I am serious, do I need a smilie face?
>
> DAS
>
> "Daniel J. Stern" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:p[email protected]...
> .........................................>
>> There are North American accents in which the short "o"
>> pronunciation is closer to many British accents ("orange", "forest"
>> and "opera" have the same primary vowel sounds as "paw", "thaw" and
>> "law").
>>
> .........................................


 
In article <[email protected]>,
"Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Jeeping is a verb.

No, at best it would be a participle requiring a verb (such as "helping"
requires a verb like "was" -- "he was helping"). But it's not that. First,
Jeep is not a real word, but a made-up one, a noun. Secondly, you cannot
simply declare a noun to be a verb (unless you're Humpty-Dumpty).

If you think you can, then is Chevroleting a verb? Lincolning?


> Jeeper is a noun.
>
>Jeepers drive a Jeep during activity known as Jeeping. Jeeping can take a
>Jeeper in a Jeep many places, most of them unacceptable to Lloyd.

Ever hear of a thing called a dictionary?

>
>With a little luck roving around, we can find streams to ford and boulders
>to dodge. Sometimes we can find Fords to dodge, and I once forded a Dodge
>all whild Jeeping in my Jeep with other Jeepers. Jeepers, it was fun!
>
>
 
Bill Putney <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
> Reminds me - am I the only one whose nerves are grated by Jaguar's radio
> commercials with the British announcer? I guess the Brits normally
> pronounce it "jagyouaw" as opposed to the American "jagwar". The former
> sounds so pretentious (but the American pronunciation is probably
> bastardized).

Well, we had this discussion over in alt.autos.jaguar. I think the
final word came from one of the guys who *makes* them and pronounces
it 'jag-you-are': "That's what we call them here ..."
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; got one)
 
Gee, Lloyd. I thought all words were 'made-up'. I'm going to have to
look at the Chart of Elements again and see which element is 'Words'.

Lloyd Parker wrote:
First, Jeep is not a real word, but a made-up one, a noun.

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Except isn't it Horsch ?


Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Dori Schmetterling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: Horch = listen! as in horchen.
:
: And I don't need to resort to Latin for this.
:
: DAS
: --
: ---
: NB: To reply directly replace "nospam" with "schmetterling"
: ---
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:[email protected]...
: > Saab = Sob if you have a Boston accent perhaps ?
: >
: > Volvo - tha'ts the latin for "I roll over"
: > Fiat - that's the latin for "let it happen"
: > Audi - that the latin for "listen up !"
: >
: > :)
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "C.R. Krieger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
: > news:[email protected]...
: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > news:<[email protected]>...
: > :
: > : > I didn't think anyone pronounced SAAB as sob.
: > :
: > : You'd probably have a hard time distinguishing the broad American 'aa'
: > : from the 'o' in 'sob'. Of course, if you pronounce it the way I do,
: > : with an added 'l', it becomes a noun and possibly more accurate:
: > : 'SLOB'.
: > :
: > : > I don't think truncating Rolls Royce counts :)
: > :
: > : Sure it does! But it's better if it's overturned rather than hit from
: > : the front and/or rear, as truncation would suggest. ;^)
: > :
: > : If we're including foreign marques, 'Horch', 'Audi', and 'Volvo' are
: > : all verbs of one sort or another, but they were *intended* to be.
: > :
: > : Hey, how about 'Knight'?
: > : --
: > : C.R. Krieger
: > : "Ignore 'em, m'dear; they're beneath our dignity." - W.C. Fields
: >
: >
:
:


 
Dori Schmetterling snivelled:

> BTW, we don't have "British" accents in Britain!

Certainly you do, when referred to collectively. Compare to the other
collective referent I employed in the same paragraph, "North American
accents".

Don't be such a git.

DS

 
"Lloyd Parker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rover is a noun (rove would be a verb). Triumph is also a noun. Jeep is
not
> a verb either.

only to a poser like you that doesnt know two things about jeeping to begin
with. if youre going to stop cramming gerbils up your ass long enough to
post a response, at least know what youre talking about. i hope you go
rabid after one of those lil' critters shreds your rectum. feltcher.

--
Nathan W. Collier
'03 Jeep Rubicon
Jeep and let Jeep

http://7SlotGrille.com




 
In article <[email protected]>,
"Jonny Hodgson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Dori Schmetterling wrote:
>
>> BTW, we don't have "British" accents in Britain! We certainly have
>> many varieties of accent, but not anything known as "British", not
>> even collectively...
>>
>> There are English accents, Welsh and Scottish accents and even Irish
>> accents in the UK, never mind Estuary (a new term), Scouse...
>
>Not to mention Manc, Brummie, Geordie (try looking up the Windaz Too
>Thoosand email joke for the last) and many others... some of which can
>be almost incomprehensible to each other.
>
>Back to the Jag-yew-ar thing, it's not the only word in which we
>pronounce the U that way - 'music' (myew-zik / myoo-zik) and 'stupid'
>spring to mind immediately.
>
>And yeah, I agree - the O in 'forest' is closest to 'hot' (no, not
>'haat' or 'fawrest').

Daimler (the make) is "dimler" in Britain, not "dime-ler" (long-i), isn't it?
 
Of course we have British accents in Britain. The fact we have a distinct
accent for every major city is irrelevent.
Dave Milne, Scotland

'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Daniel J. Stern" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:p[email protected]...
: Dori Schmetterling snivelled:
:
: > BTW, we don't have "British" accents in Britain!
:
: Certainly you do, when referred to collectively. Compare to the other
: collective referent I employed in the same paragraph, "North American
: accents".
:
: Don't be such a git.
:
: DS
:


 

"Nathan W. Collier" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:p[email protected]...
> "Lloyd Parker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Rover is a noun (rove would be a verb). Triumph is also a noun. Jeep is
> not
> > a verb either.
>
> only to a poser like you that doesnt know two things about jeeping to begin
> with. if youre going to stop cramming gerbils up your ass long enough to
> post a response, at least know what youre talking about. i hope you go
> rabid after one of those lil' critters shreds your rectum. feltcher.

Ouch
A "Gere-ing" he would go!



 
DTJ wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 01:17:30 -0700, "Ted Mittelstaedt"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"DTJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>And please, don't whine about how a mac is better. It isn't. It is a
>>>piece of hardware, and the software is what makes it work. Software
>>>can be written to do the same thing on any platform. So please spare
>>>us...
>>
>>Believe me, a Mac running OS X is far better UNIX workstation than
>>a Sparc 5 running Solaris. As to the consumer desktop apps, well you
>>want to run toy programs, of course a toy OS and a toy PC are going to
>>run those better. Do you do your grocery shopping and kid carpooling
>>in a Ferrari?
>
>
> But you miss the real point, and confirm that when you say "running OS
> X". The hardware is not superior to anything, and in fact is far over
> priced. Although not as bad as anything Sun and some others ship.

The PC is still shipping 32 bit hardware. The Mac is now G5 at
64 bit. As for processor speed, you can measure system performance,
or use the "speedometer mentality". Just because the speedometer
goes to 120 doesn't mean the vehicle will.

As for overpriced, it depends on whether you just need to to one
thing, or need to be able to run multiple apps with critical
response times simultaneously, particularly when those apps
are required to communicate with each other.

Besides, Solaris runs on Intel.

>
> A PC can do anything any other system can do. In fact, right now PCs,
> Macs and other systems across the world are being used to search for
> intelligent life outside our solar system.

Obviousy having given up looking for it on Usenet.


> The application is what
> does the work, and can be written for any platform. Hell, even minis
> and main frames now have simulated GUIs.

Yeah, and have had since the 80's.

>
> The key issue is cost per instruction processed, and nothing beats the
> PC for that for consumers and the overwhelming majority of businesses.
> Even when you compare RISC vs. CISC, PCs win out.

This would be a good statement if the Intel chips weren't actually
RISC in their internals. The old RISC/CISC war was settled with
an armistice long ago. Dunno any non-pipelining, register rich,
non-predictive branching chips left, for some time.

 
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