Jeep thing or sheep thing?

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'nuther Bob wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:02:06 GMT, DTJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:57:52 -0400, Bill Putney <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Laura's Rancid Bush wrote:
>>>
>>>>I never knew this NG was so bigoted and ignorant. If this said ignorance is very
>>>>widespread, readers would be wise to consider the value of automotive opinions rendered
>>>>here. This NG does seem to be a good recruiting place for the christian reich
>>>
>>>And of course, everyone knows that if you hate Christians, that's not
>>>bigoted. I'll have to remember that one.
>>
>>The pastor of my church recently went out of his way to explain to the
>>congregation what we should do if a gay attended our church. He spoke
>>for almost an hour, but his message was simple.
>>
>>We should welcome them with open arms.
>
>
> That's a good policy for the Catholic church, since most of their
> priests are gay.
>
>>>You know - if the ratio of God-haters to God-lovers were 99 to 1, I'd be
>>>honored to be included in the 1 per cent, and I'd galdly die for the
>>>privilege.
>>
>>So would I, and we might one day get close to that percentage if the
>>liberals in this country get their way.
>
>
> That's right, "the liberals" are out to destroy religion. If those
> liberal jerks who wrote the Constitution had just left out that part
> about "separation of church and state" we could have a nice cosy
> Christian country.

You are showing your ignorance, Bob. Separation of church and state is
not in the Constitution.

Matt

 


"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote:
>
> 'nuther Bob wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:02:06 GMT, DTJ <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:57:52 -0400, Bill Putney <[email protected]>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Laura's Rancid Bush wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>I never knew this NG was so bigoted and ignorant. If this said ignorance is very
> >>>>widespread, readers would be wise to consider the value of automotive opinions rendered
> >>>>here. This NG does seem to be a good recruiting place for the christian reich
> >>>
> >>>And of course, everyone knows that if you hate Christians, that's not
> >>>bigoted. I'll have to remember that one.
> >>
> >>The pastor of my church recently went out of his way to explain to the
> >>congregation what we should do if a gay attended our church. He spoke
> >>for almost an hour, but his message was simple.
> >>
> >>We should welcome them with open arms.
> >
> >
> > That's a good policy for the Catholic church, since most of their
> > priests are gay.
> >
> >>>You know - if the ratio of God-haters to God-lovers were 99 to 1, I'd be
> >>>honored to be included in the 1 per cent, and I'd galdly die for the
> >>>privilege.
> >>
> >>So would I, and we might one day get close to that percentage if the
> >>liberals in this country get their way.
> >
> >
> > That's right, "the liberals" are out to destroy religion. If those
> > liberal jerks who wrote the Constitution had just left out that part
> > about "separation of church and state" we could have a nice cosy
> > Christian country.
>
> You are showing your ignorance, Bob. Separation of church and state is
> not in the Constitution.
>
> Matt

The Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution.

nate
 
Hillary Clinton wrote:
> That's
> like Clarence "Oreo®" Thomas say Jesse Jackson isn't Black.....

Maybe he meant Michael Jackson.

Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")


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"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote:
>
> DTJ wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:57:52 -0400, Bill Putney <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Laura's Rancid Bush wrote:
> >>
> >>>I never knew this NG was so bigoted and ignorant. If this said ignorance is very
> >>>widespread, readers would be wise to consider the value of automotive opinions rendered
> >>>here. This NG does seem to be a good recruiting place for the christian reich
> >>
> >>And of course, everyone knows that if you hate Christians, that's not
> >>bigoted. I'll have to remember that one.
> >
> >
> > The pastor of my church recently went out of his way to explain to the
> > congregation what we should do if a gay attended our church. He spoke
> > for almost an hour, but his message was simple.
> >
> > We should welcome them with open arms.
>
> That is a wise pastor. A church should welcome all sinners, regardless
> of the sin.
>
> Matt

This attitude is why many gays are decidedly not christians.

nate
 
Hillary Clinton wrote:
> "DTJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> : On 17 Jul 2003 17:08:32 GMT, [email protected] (Lloyd Parker) wrote:
> :
> : >What's "crap" is ONLY teaching abstinence, so teens who engage in sex
> anyway
> : >have no idea of how to protect themselves.
> :
> : Agreed. I have no issue with teaching children about abstinence and
> : about how to protect themselves if they don't listen to that message.
> : The problem is a lot of schools refuse to teach abstinence, and others
> : refuse to teach about protecting the child.
>
> Yeah, schools not teaching anything but abstinence because some christian
> militant threatens to sue to school board...
>
> :
> : >You should know most child molestors are heterosexuals.
> :
> : This is not a fact. Most reported child molesters may be
> : heterosexuals. However, due to the stigma attached to being molested
> : by a homosexual, one can not know how many unreported cases there are.
> : It is unreasonable to assume that one group is more or less likely to
> : molest children.
>
> Yes it IS a fact. Most child molesters ARE straight!
> http://danenet.wicip.org/dcccrsa/saissues/childinf.html
>
>

If it is, you can't tell it from this "data." Sure most molesters are
heterosexual ... most people are! The telling data would be the percent
of the total population who are molesters, and that is not in this data
set near as I can tell. If homosexuals constitute 5% of the population,
but 10% of the people who molest children, then they are twice as likely
to be child molesters as compared to heterosexuals, even though they are
only 10% of the total number of the molester population.


Matt

 
Nathan Nagel wrote:
>
> "Matthew S. Whiting" wrote:
>
>>'nuther Bob wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:02:06 GMT, DTJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:57:52 -0400, Bill Putney <[email protected]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Laura's Rancid Bush wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I never knew this NG was so bigoted and ignorant. If this said ignorance is very
>>>>>>widespread, readers would be wise to consider the value of automotive opinions rendered
>>>>>>here. This NG does seem to be a good recruiting place for the christian reich
>>>>>
>>>>>And of course, everyone knows that if you hate Christians, that's not
>>>>>bigoted. I'll have to remember that one.
>>>>
>>>>The pastor of my church recently went out of his way to explain to the
>>>>congregation what we should do if a gay attended our church. He spoke
>>>>for almost an hour, but his message was simple.
>>>>
>>>>We should welcome them with open arms.
>>>
>>>
>>>That's a good policy for the Catholic church, since most of their
>>>priests are gay.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>You know - if the ratio of God-haters to God-lovers were 99 to 1, I'd be
>>>>>honored to be included in the 1 per cent, and I'd galdly die for the
>>>>>privilege.
>>>>
>>>>So would I, and we might one day get close to that percentage if the
>>>>liberals in this country get their way.
>>>
>>>
>>>That's right, "the liberals" are out to destroy religion. If those
>>>liberal jerks who wrote the Constitution had just left out that part
>>>about "separation of church and state" we could have a nice cosy
>>>Christian country.
>>
>>You are showing your ignorance, Bob. Separation of church and state is
>>not in the Constitution.
>>
>>Matt
>
>
> The Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution.
>
> nate

Where in the Bill of Rights does it mention separation of church and
state? Hint, you won't find it. The only think prohibited was a state
church as existed in England at the time. Separation of church and
state was a concept that came many years later in a court decision as
best I recall. Been a long time since I studied this in detail though
so I can't quote the court case, but I believe it was as recent as the
1900s.


Matt

 
Nathan Nagel wrote:
>
> "Matthew S. Whiting" wrote:
>
>>DTJ wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:57:52 -0400, Bill Putney <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Laura's Rancid Bush wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I never knew this NG was so bigoted and ignorant. If this said ignorance is very
>>>>>widespread, readers would be wise to consider the value of automotive opinions rendered
>>>>>here. This NG does seem to be a good recruiting place for the christian reich
>>>>
>>>>And of course, everyone knows that if you hate Christians, that's not
>>>>bigoted. I'll have to remember that one.
>>>
>>>
>>>The pastor of my church recently went out of his way to explain to the
>>>congregation what we should do if a gay attended our church. He spoke
>>>for almost an hour, but his message was simple.
>>>
>>>We should welcome them with open arms.
>>
>>That is a wise pastor. A church should welcome all sinners, regardless
>>of the sin.
>>
>>Matt
>
>
> This attitude is why many gays are decidedly not christians.
>
> nate

That is why most sinners aren't Christians. Christianity forces you to
accept that you are a sinner and must be saved by grace. That is true
whether the sin is gambling or homosexuality.


Matt

 

"Matthew S. Whiting" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: DTJ wrote:
: > On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:57:52 -0400, Bill Putney <[email protected]>


:
:
: That is a wise pastor. A church should welcome all sinners, regardless
: of the sin.
:

It's difficult to accept that in the 21st century, grown adults still
babble about "sin." I'll be these same grown adults don't use a divining
rod to find water or see a witchdoctor when they are ill


 

"Matthew S. Whiting" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: Nathan Nagel wrote:
: :
: That is why most sinners aren't Christians. Christianity forces you to
: accept that you are a sinner and must be saved by grace. That is true
: whether the sin is gambling or homosexuality.
:

Too bad stupidity isn't a "sin"


 

"Matthew S. Whiting" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: 'nuther Bob wrote:
: > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:02:06 GMT, DTJ <[email protected]> wrote:
:
: You are showing your ignorance, Bob. Separation of church and state is
: not in the Constitution.
:
: Matt
:

Now I know you are sleeping with Pat Robertson. Here: read
http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html I know all the christers out
there won't be happy until they have bludgeoned all non believers to death
with their handy zinc crucifixes


 

"Matthew S. Whiting" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: Nathan Nagel wrote:
: >
: > The Bill of Rights is part of the Constitution.
: >
: > nate
:
: Where in the Bill of Rights does it mention separation of church and
: state? Hint, you won't find it. The only think prohibited was a state
: church as existed in England at the time. Separation of church and
: state was a concept that came many years later in a court decision as
: best I recall. Been a long time since I studied this in detail though
: so I can't quote the court case, but I believe it was as recent as the
: 1900s.
:

Wrong
http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html


 

"Bill Putney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: Hillary Clinton wrote:
: > That's
: > like Clarence "Oreo®" Thomas say Jesse Jackson isn't Black.....
:
: Maybe he meant Michael Jackson.

no, then the statement would be "Michael Jackson isn't a human being..."


 

"Matthew S. Whiting" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: Hillary Clinton wrote:
: > "DTJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
: > news:[email protected]...
: > Yes it IS a fact. Most child molesters ARE straight!
: > http://danenet.wicip.org/dcccrsa/saissues/childinf.html
: >
: >
:
: If it is, you can't tell it from this "data." Sure most molesters are
: heterosexual ... most people are! The telling data would be the percent
: of the total population who are molesters, and that is not in this data
: set near as I can tell. If homosexuals constitute 5% of the population,
: but 10% of the people who molest children, then they are twice as likely
: to be child molesters as compared to heterosexuals, even though they are
: only 10% of the total number of the molester population.
:


Well, Matt, do you have any data from a non christian, reliable source to
verify your outgassings?


 
>
> Here's the radical heterosexual agenda
> http://www.htmlshop.com/java/population.asp Pretty disgusting!
>
>
>
> :
> : The problem is that the reality of the homosexual lifestyle isn't
anything
> : like the heterosexual family lifestyle. There isn't much of anything
> : "family" about it. So much of it is a life of promiscuity and transient
> : relationships. Some have stable relationships and these days even adopt
> : children to have a semblence of a family. But mostly, it just isn't a
> : culture that works and never has been.
>
> Oh gee let's see. That wouldn't be due to the fact that straight society
> forces a lot of these conditions onto gays, does it? Promiscuity? The
> straight culture has taken AIDS, which should have died out since everyone
> "knows" gays only comprise 5% (HA!) of the population, but no, the
> straights have made it a pandemic. Promiscuity? Like about 75-80% of those
> nice straight men getting a quickie from a $10 whore on the way home from
> work. Nice role model! (Oh and about 50% of straight women are humping the
> meter reader while their brain-dead husbands are at work).
>

Straight society forces conditions on gays? The whole of our society,
regardless of race, creed or ethnic background is based on the heterosexual
family unit. Inasmuch as people can't fit in to that structure makes it a
hardship for them. There is no homosexual family structure. That's part of
why there's so much promiscuity in that community and no enduring stability.
It's the nature of reality.

And the argument isn't about good or bad people (a la cheating spouses),
it's about even having a chance at an enduring and stable society.
Straights are indeed quite capable of screwing that up without the help of
gays.

> :
> : I think for the vast majority of homosexuals, it's a tremendous curse to
> : have to live with. In fact, I think of all the people on the Earth, God
> : will probably be most merciful to homosexuals.
> :
> : That's how I see it.
>
>
> Fortunately your view doesn't extend past the end of your pointed head.
>

Having a little trouble formulating an intelligent response? Run out of
tolerance? C'mon, I know you can do better than that!


 
Hillary Clinton wrote:

> "DTJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> : On 17 Jul 2003 17:06:02 GMT, [email protected] (Lloyd Parker) wrote:
> : : >>>
> : >>>Or evolution?
> : >>
> : >>Evolution theory, and it is just that - a theory,
> : >
> : >Wrong. Evolution is as much a fact as gravity.
>
> Again, you telegraph your stupidity. Do you know the difference between a
> "theory" (colloquial) and a "Scientific Theory?" Hell no! For anyone to
> say evolution is a "theory" is the same as saying the earth is flat and man
> lived with dinosaurs. Of course we know that is true because we all watched
> the Flintstones.... No wonder the United States has lost its scientific
> preeminence. There are too many knuckle walking Luddite christians roaming
> outside of their cages.

It has always been somewhat amusing [for sick sick sick
interpretations of amusing] that disbelieving in evolution
tends to be most common in those geographical areas and
populations of the USofA that tend to practice it so
commonly in their livelihood. Also where the number
of teeth is less than the number of persons, mullet cuts
are high fashion, Jerry Springer is a national hero, and
the kinship with the views of a Bin Laden is too close to
be funny. Folks who can't understand 9/11 and the religious
kookery necessary for such have plenty of examples of
a triumph of brainwashing over common sense and education
right here in the USofA. e.g. our friend above.


 
DTJ wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:30:19 -0700, "Hillary Clinton"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>: You can't be a Christian and hate others. You can't be a Christian and
>>be a
>>: bigot.
>>
>>
>>Pat Robberson, Jerry Fartwell, Jimmy Swaggert and a whole host of others
>>prove that's not true
>>
>
> Just because someone calls themselves a Christian does not make it so.

Hey, now. Jimmy Swaggart hangs around with prostitutes just
like the original did with Mary Magdalene.

 
Matthew S. Whiting wrote:

> Nathan Nagel wrote:
>>
>> "Matthew S. Whiting" wrote:
>>
>>>DTJ wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:57:52 -0400, Bill Putney <[email protected]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Laura's Rancid Bush wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I never knew this NG was so bigoted and ignorant. If this said ignorance is very
>>>>>>widespread, readers would be wise to consider the value of automotive opinions rendered
>>>>>>here. This NG does seem to be a good recruiting place for the christian reich
>>>>>
>>>>>And of course, everyone knows that if you hate Christians, that's not
>>>>>bigoted. I'll have to remember that one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The pastor of my church recently went out of his way to explain to the
>>>>congregation what we should do if a gay attended our church. He spoke
>>>>for almost an hour, but his message was simple.
>>>>
>>>>We should welcome them with open arms.
>>>
>>>That is a wise pastor. A church should welcome all sinners, regardless
>>>of the sin.
>>>
>>>Matt
>>
>>
>> This attitude is why many gays are decidedly not christians.
>>
>> nate
>
> That is why most sinners aren't Christians. Christianity forces you to
> accept that you are a sinner and must be saved by grace. That is true
> whether the sin is gambling or homosexuality.

Hey that makes sense. If you have to admit you are a sinner to
be a christian, but most sinners aren't christians, who IS?
PS. Remember any of the comments in the bible about public
professions of faith and/or piety? Amazing how many alleged
bible readers forget that one isn't it?

Now go drive a Jeep off a cliff [another vain attempt to steer
this back to jeeps]

 
Hillary Clinton wrote:

> "Matthew S. Whiting" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> : Nathan Nagel wrote:
> : :
> : That is why most sinners aren't Christians. Christianity forces you to
> : accept that you are a sinner and must be saved by grace. That is true
> : whether the sin is gambling or homosexuality.
> :
>
> Too bad stupidity isn't a "sin"

The attitude of our friend sure is.... but he doesn't know his
own religion well enough to know it as being one of the deadliest.
Or remember that his own religion forbids church and state
mixing even if he is too stupid to know who Thomas Jefferson is.

Never have met a bible banger who actually knew crap about
their own professed religion, but that shouldn't be a surprise
given that banging on the bible is a sin.

Why don't we leave him alone and hope his son turns gay or
something?

 
Hillary Clinton wrote:

> "Matthew S. Whiting" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> : DTJ wrote:
> : > On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:57:52 -0400, Bill Putney <[email protected]>
>
>
> :
> :
> : That is a wise pastor. A church should welcome all sinners, regardless
> : of the sin.
> :
>
> It's difficult to accept that in the 21st century, grown adults still
> babble about "sin." I'll be these same grown adults don't use a divining
> rod to find water or see a witchdoctor when they are ill
>

It would be just sad if those same people weren't always
so dangerous to everything that relates to freedom and
personal choice in any society.


 

"Hillary Clinton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:RmIRa.9111$Bp2.9039@fed1read07...
>
> "Matthew S. Whiting" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> : Nathan Nagel wrote:
> : :
> : That is why most sinners aren't Christians. Christianity forces you to
> : accept that you are a sinner and must be saved by grace. That is true
> : whether the sin is gambling or homosexuality.
> :
>
> Too bad stupidity isn't a "sin"
>
>

Harrrumph!!! We'll accept you anyway... good people that we are :)


 
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