BuzzLand
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Ok, I'm having some good natured arguing with a fellow on another forum.
He's very much anti-defenders / landrovers and his gripes are thus:
Not in my world. A vehicle that repeatedly lets you down, gets you a nasty case of "dead". Equally one that requires constant tinkering is a drain on time as well as money.
The guy we bought our 110 200TDi from restored Pre - Defender models for a living - full re-builds from a new Galvi chassis upwards. He drove an Amazon.
100,000 miles in my LandCruiserr and it has no failures - none, zero, nada.
Total replacement parts to date have been fluids, filters, bulbs, one set of tyres and two brake shoes. Oh and one rear light cluster I rusted through not washing it for two years whilst off roading it
Landrovers have a place in the British heart from nostalgia, but even now they rust right off the fore court. There is no excuse for that bloody awful build quality.
If you look around the world, there are far far more Hilux pickups in tough places than there are Land Rovers - and many of them maintained in the most primitive way, if at all. Why do you think they are known as Talli Wagons?
Never going to agree on this - there is no excuse for making a tool badly, and Land Rovers are badly made. Since I got my BORDA qualifications a long time ago, I have driven a heck of a lot of different 4x4s andyeas, they are certainly competent off road. They also have a great towing capacity. Put for a survivalist? Most will do little off roading for years - if oil is still flowing, then roads are being maintained. At which point a reliable, cost effective jap pickup costs less to buy, less to run, less to maintain, carries more, is more adaptable, better ride quality etc.
Bear in mind that in many places off roading is almost impossible - fences, dykes, woods etc prevent it. For me, a right thinking survivalist picks load carrying and reliability first - and maybe spares and fuel economy next.
In many ways a Ford Transit would make a better choice!
That's what I'm up against...
I've tried explaining to him that Defenders (plus other landys) are pretty much the best, solid machine's out there but to no avail. Sure they rust but if you prep and keep on top of your chassis this is no problem
What is even more strange is he used to own defenders but seemed to be peeved by owing a few bad examples.
My gut instinct tells me that there's no way Jap 4x4 can match defenders, am I wrong?
I guess there's zillion's more parts and they are plastic fantastic...
A recurring theme I'm getting from a few Jap 4x4 converts is that because African warlords, Somali militia, Sudanese ragged janjaweed killers etc choose them then they must be great.
I've countered this with the fact that Landy's are thin on the ground, also mentioning that they are stolen to order for the 3rd world hellholes etc...
Am I barking at a white elephant or is this guy being a gomp?
He's very much anti-defenders / landrovers and his gripes are thus:
Not in my world. A vehicle that repeatedly lets you down, gets you a nasty case of "dead". Equally one that requires constant tinkering is a drain on time as well as money.
The guy we bought our 110 200TDi from restored Pre - Defender models for a living - full re-builds from a new Galvi chassis upwards. He drove an Amazon.
100,000 miles in my LandCruiserr and it has no failures - none, zero, nada.
Total replacement parts to date have been fluids, filters, bulbs, one set of tyres and two brake shoes. Oh and one rear light cluster I rusted through not washing it for two years whilst off roading it
Landrovers have a place in the British heart from nostalgia, but even now they rust right off the fore court. There is no excuse for that bloody awful build quality.
If you look around the world, there are far far more Hilux pickups in tough places than there are Land Rovers - and many of them maintained in the most primitive way, if at all. Why do you think they are known as Talli Wagons?
Never going to agree on this - there is no excuse for making a tool badly, and Land Rovers are badly made. Since I got my BORDA qualifications a long time ago, I have driven a heck of a lot of different 4x4s andyeas, they are certainly competent off road. They also have a great towing capacity. Put for a survivalist? Most will do little off roading for years - if oil is still flowing, then roads are being maintained. At which point a reliable, cost effective jap pickup costs less to buy, less to run, less to maintain, carries more, is more adaptable, better ride quality etc.
Bear in mind that in many places off roading is almost impossible - fences, dykes, woods etc prevent it. For me, a right thinking survivalist picks load carrying and reliability first - and maybe spares and fuel economy next.
In many ways a Ford Transit would make a better choice!
That's what I'm up against...
I've tried explaining to him that Defenders (plus other landys) are pretty much the best, solid machine's out there but to no avail. Sure they rust but if you prep and keep on top of your chassis this is no problem
What is even more strange is he used to own defenders but seemed to be peeved by owing a few bad examples.
My gut instinct tells me that there's no way Jap 4x4 can match defenders, am I wrong?
I guess there's zillion's more parts and they are plastic fantastic...
A recurring theme I'm getting from a few Jap 4x4 converts is that because African warlords, Somali militia, Sudanese ragged janjaweed killers etc choose them then they must be great.
I've countered this with the fact that Landy's are thin on the ground, also mentioning that they are stolen to order for the 3rd world hellholes etc...
Am I barking at a white elephant or is this guy being a gomp?
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