I've locked myself out of my P38!

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P38 Monkey said:
Trick is to pinch one with a full petrol tank - then you are talking about high value...
Remember the old joke about Skodas (pre-VW takeover) when they said you could double the value of your Skoda by filling it up with 4-star...?
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I remember a guy I had the pleasure of meeting during my stint away, he was from Leeds and he said he never understood why people took Range rovers on any form of criminal activity.
His words were that if it had not got enough fuel in it to do the job then you would have to stop and fill it up at a camera installed station or if it broke down it stuck out like a sore thumb. He also stated about the P38 that whilst great for getting shutters off shops it was **** at small road manoeuvring whilst being chased :p:D
I just sat and agreed and did not have the heart to tell him that i owned one at the time.
Also this was long before the price of fuel went up so you would have to rob a bank just to fill it up these days
 
kurtjohnson10 said:
I remember a guy I had the pleasure of meeting during my stint away, he was from Leeds and he said he never understood why people took Range rovers on any form of criminal activity.
His words were that if it had not got enough fuel in it to do the job then you would have to stop and fill it up at a camera installed station or if it broke down it stuck out like a sore thumb. He also stated about the P38 that whilst great for getting shutters off shops it was **** at small road manoeuvring whilst being chased :p:D
I just sat and agreed and did not have the heart to tell him that i owned one at the time.
Also this was long before the price of fuel went up so you would have to rob a bank just to fill it up these days
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That is a great story...
Glad you are out - er, I mean glad you are back.
 
P38 Monkey said:
The issue is that the fobs lose their synch when the battery is flat / disconnected. From previous postings, that seems wrong. Any thoughts as to why it might be?
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The BECM is losing the stored FOB code in the RF memory when the battery is disconnected/reconnected. There are two possible reasons for this that I can think of, first off a setting in the BECM, visible or invisible, that calls for the RF memory to be cleared on power up, or secondly a fault in the BECM. I have not checked all the possible BECM settings there are for instance the Police settings, I have no idea what they do and there are other settings I have not explored.
 
P38 Monkey said:
That is a great story...
Glad you are out - er, I mean glad you are back.
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Lol - i was in for basically just standing up for a friend being beat up in a pub, but hey it was what it was ;)
The bloke from Leeds was a legend, he said he had an A-Z of cars to do jobs in, thing is when he gets out he will be too old to drive :D:D:D
He used to be the funniest guy ever, Just could not stop taking what was not his :confused:
 
kurtjohnson10 said:
Lol - i was in for basically just standing up for a friend being beat up in a pub, but hey it was what it was ;)
The bloke from Leeds was a legend, he said he had an A-Z of cars to do jobs in, thing is when he gets out he will be too old to drive :D:D:D
He used to be the funniest guy ever, Just could not stop taking what was not his :confused:
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Like a cat then.. thrill in the hunt, not the having..

Is that where cat burglar came from? Or did they just burgle cats?
 
Datatek said:
The BECM is losing the stored FOB code in the RF memory when the battery is disconnected/reconnected. There are two possible reasons for this that I can think of, first off a setting in the BECM, visible or invisible, that calls for the RF memory to be cleared on power up, or secondly a fault in the BECM. I have not checked all the possible BECM settings there are for instance the Police settings, I have no idea what they do and there are other settings I have not explored.
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Thinking back to 90's computers, is there a button cell in the BeCM that maintains certain data in the event of power loss to the unit? Motherboards back in the day used to have a CR2032 cell or similar.
 
kurtjohnson10 said:
Lol - i was in for basically just standing up for a friend being beat up in a pub, but hey it was what it was ;)
The bloke from Leeds was a legend, he said he had an A-Z of cars to do jobs in, thing is when he gets out he will be too old to drive :D:D:D
He used to be the funniest guy ever, Just could not stop taking what was not his :confused:
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I imagine you would be a bloody good bloke to have around when things start kicking off...
 
Datatek said:
No button cell in the BECM.
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Thanks Datatek, as ever I greatly appreciate your advice.
The Nanocom detailed spec on their web site says the fob code is stored until the RF memory is cleared, and then subsequently received fob codes are stored etc etc.
No mention of being able to set auto-clear, so I wonder if it is maybe an old EPROM that will no longer retain its data when powered off.
EPROMs are only supposed to last 10 years or so as far as I am aware.
Touch wood everything else seems to be OK so I'll live with the issue.
The problem requires a double fault: flat battery and disconnected manual locking actuation rod,
So that particular sword of Damocles at least seems to have quite a thick string....
 
P38 Monkey said:
Thanks Datatek, as ever I greatly appreciate your advice.
The Nanocom detailed spec on their web site says the fob code is stored until the RF memory is cleared, and then subsequently received fob codes are stored etc etc.
No mention of being able to set auto-clear, so I wonder if it is maybe an old EPROM that will no longer retain its data when powered off.
EPROMs are only supposed to last 10 years or so as far as I am aware.
Touch wood everything else seems to be OK so I'll live with the issue.
The problem requires a double fault: flat battery and disconnected manual locking actuation rod,
So that particular sword of Damocles at least seems to have quite a thick string....
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The received FOB code is compared to the stored rolling code that is updated within the BECM, if the codes are too far apart, the FOB will not work until a re-sync is carried out. The RF receive memory can be cleared with no ill effect as long as the next FOB code received matches the stored rolling code which does not normally clear.
EPROM = Electrically Programmable Read Only Memory, the data encoded in the device can only be erased with UV light. I have EPROM's that are from the early 80's that still have good data. I do not know where the RF memory is but I suspect it's in the CPU chip in the form of EEPROM = Electrically Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory.
Have you looked in the BECM to see what the country setting is?
 
My principle right now is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
Sync works OK (as does everything else) and I only need to re-sync after disconnecting the battery for any reason.
I am assuming that the "clear-RF memory-on-startup" is a setting rather than a fault, being an optimist by nature....
The worry is not being able to do a manual unlock if ever I need to. Having seen the precarious nature of the manual unlock rod connection, that will always be a concern.
 
P38 Monkey said:
My principle right now is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
Sync works OK (as does everything else) and I only need to re-sync after disconnecting the battery for any reason.
I am assuming that the "clear-RF memory-on-startup" is a setting rather than a fault, being an optimist by nature....
The worry is not being able to do a manual unlock if ever I need to. Having seen the precarious nature of the manual unlock rod connection, that will always be a concern.
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Turn off the EKA and the Immobiliser in the BECM or you could end up in deep poo as you cannot enter the EKA code if the car decides it wants it. While you are in the BECM, look at the country setting, I'm interested to know what the setting is for Japan as Japan is not in the basic list.
 
Datatek said:
Turn off the EKA and the Immobiliser in the BECM or you could end up in deep poo as you cannot enter the EKA code if the car decides it wants it. While you are in the BECM, look at the country setting, I'm interested to know what the setting is for Japan as Japan is not in the basic list.
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I don't have a Nanocom but looks like I should really get one - if only to know the BeCM settings.
One thing that confuses me when looking at the Nanocom detailed specs is that it keeps going on about locked and unlocked BeCM status, but does not give practical details about locking / unlocking: when to do it, what status to leave the BeCM in etc etc.
Maybe the user manual will be more informative.
The spec is telling me how a watch works when all I want to know is what time it is.
 
P38 Monkey said:
I don't have a Nanocom but looks like I should really get one - if only to know the BeCM settings.
One thing that confuses me when looking at the Nanocom detailed specs is that it keeps going on about locked and unlocked BeCM status, but does not give practical details about locking / unlocking: when to do it, what status to leave the BeCM in etc etc.
Maybe the user manual will be more informative.
The spec is telling me how a watch works when all I want to know is what time it is.
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Once the BECM has been locked, it cannot be unlocked without a Faultmate and the 035 direct access module. The normal state is locked. It does not stop changes to the settings like EKA and immobiliser. Unlocked is the factory state used when setting up, it is locked when it leaves the factory
 
P38 Monkey said:
I imagine you would be a bloody good bloke to have around when things start kicking off...
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Honestly,
I am just a normal family guy, I have few friends but I class them as family. The few friends i have are all loyal family men and have been my friends since childhood. I only did what they would have done for me.
My family understood why i fought the way i did that night and i honestly have no regrets, it was what it was. My friend was getting a beating he did not ask fir or deserve so i had and willingly joined in but i used a bottle as we were seriously outnumbered.
I do not hide it from anyone though do not speak about it much either, as i have said on here before i met some really nice blokes when i was in who unfortunately were career criminals, i never judged them as its the world they moved in.
I used to help one bloke read and write letters home, he was a great guy who looked after me fom the minute i got there handing out tea bags , milk, biscuits from his own personal stuff. I am still in touch with him to this day by email and text and i have great pleasure on knowing i helped him do this, great way to pay back his generosity. That's why i always help others if i can who are genuine and need help.
The criminals out there today are mainly feral animals who would take a life or rob heir own mother without a seconds thought.
So sad really
 
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