I would just like to say

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DanClarke said:
No of course not. I am relatively open minded about EV's (Honest!).
What I would like to know is the number of self-combusting ICE vehicles as a % of the total number currently in existence and the corresponding figure for EV's. That would probably close the debate completely. :)
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Interestingly, it wouldn't. Irrespective of fossil fuel most ignite due to either electrical faults or split fuel lines/fuel components + ICE fires occur with either older poorly maintained vehicles, or those near new due to poor manufacturing/component quality.

The issue with EV's is the combustive thermal runaway due to battery [chemical] combustion. And this is a serious issue not only at initial fire but for many weeks post flambee. Here we're seeing a raft of nations implementing water filled containers for fired EV's as the govt's. and emergency services see EV's as far too dangerous to leave alone/in open air.

For me it's the high risk of simply not being able to escape the EV in moment of accident and/or combustive thermal runaway.
 
doriz said:
@Nodge68
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It's been the subject of several reports.
EV fires are very different to ICE vehicle fires, and get the headlines, but the figures per X number of vehicles are smaller for EV fires than ICE vehicle fires.
I read a balances article about this issue, which I'll try and find.

One thing that is happening is a shift of battery chemistries, which will massively shift the figures in favour of EVs, as more manufacturers change to safer LFP batteries.
 
v8250 said:
If so I'd like them to prove it. Far greater chance of an e-spastic vehicle battery doing its combustive thing than any diesel vehicle.
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In all innocence, I thought diesel was pretty hard to get burning and had to be pressurized to do so. Ergo even an electrical fire in a passive vehicle shouldn't be a problem?
I stand happily to be educated.

OTOH, what if if the EV was on charge? Just sayin..
 
kermit_rr said:
Only if the fridge/hearing is off? I think
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Sorry?!! I am hard of hearing!!!

Joking apart, yes, that is pretty obvious, maybe, but a LPG powered vehicle cannot drive on to a train for the Chunnel AT ALL.
I have a dual fuel V8 Disco and although I'd never want to take it throught the Chunnel I find this annoying, stupidly maybe.
 
v8250 said:
Not when they self-ignite, they're not...causing significant environmental damage/pollution, have emergency services near refusing to put out the fire and letting the EV infernos put themselves out. Then, having to place the burnt out enviro-polluter into steel containers for a month or so for fear the battery chemicals self-ignite. Not all is well with the EV world and it's about time people are open and honest about this manufacturer/Govt/media hyped up market. Let alone the poverty stricken children used to open cast mine the rare earth metals needed to produce these overheating batteries.

Of real concern is the speed, the rapidity, of an EV battery fire...



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The children used to mine materials (cobalt)(there are no rare earth materials in an EV battery) argument is moot, as cobalt is used in much larger quantities by the fossil fuel industry to remove sulfur from crude oil. New LFP batteries don't use cobalt at all, and they don't burn either, which is why many EV manufacturers are replacing the older more volatile NMC cells with safer LFP.
The Vito in the video uses NMC cells, not LFP as was stated in the video.

EVs while different, aren't any more likely to catch fire than any other vehicle made combustible materials. It wasn't that long ago when several thousand Vauxhall Zafira's spontaneously combusted due to an issue with the heater system drive circuits not shutting down when the vehicle was turned off. This resulted in the PTC heater remaining on without the fan running, overheating the PTC and wiring, resulting in thousands of them going up in flames.

Freelander 2s have had a similar issue with rear wiper motors not parking correctly, causing the motor to overheat, again resulting in spontaneous combustion of the rear hatchback.

There are lots of reasons why vehicles catch fire, and most aren't EVs at all.
 
Tried to sell the MGC again today and the prospective buyer pointed out something wrong on the car.
Once seen it can't be unseen
 

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Well, today......
Drove to Winchester listening to an autobiographical book by Graham Norton, hilarious!
Arrived early so popped into a pub for a drink.....nice.
Went to lunch, Cote again ... mixed.
The meal was OK, but the disabled loo was not properly signed, or indicated when I asked so W ended up with climbing 2 flights of stairs to a normal loo, which was embarrassing for her to use. :( As we arrived back on the ground floor a burd indicated the DL, buried at the end of a passage. :mad:
Then the walk back up to the theatre during which I bought a huge croissant for tomoz's breakfast. £3!!!:eek::eek: but admittedly it is so big I am confidently expecting to find "Welcome to Chichester" written throughout it! Nice!
Saw the play, Arthur Miller's "View from a bridge."
Well acted, a little weirdly directed, (why the long swing? why the male actor doing ballet dancing every now and then?) but the plot/ storyline??? :(:(:(
Imagine On the Waterfront meets Greencard with a touch of The Godfather. Set in 1950s Brooklyn/Waterfront. nothing but formulaic lines/clichés bumping into one another.
I Wikipediaed it cos I couldn't believe how rubbish it was yet apparently the theatre world liked it, it has been revived several times, films made of it and in other languages.

I must be the odd man out here.

One funny moment... (Spoiler alert) right at the end the dénouement is a finale where a fight takes place and one of the protagonists dies stabbed. They had a blood bag that did its job. Went all over the bride's (yes you did read that) white dress and his sister's shoes. As that was the end, the actors all then stood up, the lights went up and the clapping started. Meanwhile the sister/actress nearly fell over slipping around on the "blood" and for some reason the "bride" couldn't stop holding out and staring at the blood all over her dress-skirt. Paying no attention to the peeps clapping! Hilarious!

Journey home, more Graham Norton, more laughs!
Not often wifey picks such a weird and TBH rubbish play!
 
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