I would just like to say

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kermit_rr said:
Always thought 'probiotic' was a scam.. ie nothing 'extra' that's not found in regular yogurts
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So you're not a user then?
I had to read up on it and, as it is not something that is widely discussed in medical circles, although they do know peeps need "good bacteria" it gets all mixed up with companies pushing their stuff and peeps banging drums.
But TBH eating yoghurt, although a good thing, isn't enough to replace large amounts of good bacteria lost due to illnesses like Clostridium Difficile etc.
also part of the problem is that many of them get killed off in the stomach by stomach acid.
You might be able to replace them by using yoghurt or stuff a bit like Yakult or Actimel, but you'd have to drink a lot, much more than if you took an acid resistant capsule which can get beyond the acid.
Also they contain strains and numbers of CFUs that you just can't get in simple yoghurt.
I'm not banging the drum, I don't know enough about it but I do suffer with diverticulitis, W has had C Difficile and I now have antibiotic resistant folliculitis which is why a doc recommended I take a probiotic.

Which is why I came on here about them hoping that someone on here uses or has used them and will tell me what they think.
 
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Stanleysteamer said:
So you're not a user then?
I had to read up on it and, as it is not something that is widely discussed in medical circles, although they do know peeps need "good bacteria" it gets all mixed up with companies pushing their stuff and peeps banging drums.
But TBH eating yoghurt, although a good thing, isn't enough to replace large amounts of good bacteria lost due to illnesses like Clostridium Difficile etc.
also part of the problem is that many of them get killed off in the stomach by stomach acid.
You might be able to replace them by using yoghurt or stuff a bit like Yakult or Actimel, but you'd have to drink a lot, much more than if you took an acid resistant capsule which can get beyond the acid.
Also they contain strains and numbers of CFUs that you just can't get in simple yoghurt.
I'm not banging the drum, I don't know enough about it but I do suffer with diverticulitis, W has had C Difficile and I now have antibiotic resistant folliculitis which is why a doc recommended I take a probiotic.

Which is why I came on here about them hoping that someone on here uses or has used them and will tell me what they think.
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I don't take them but my mum does. I read up on them because it all seemed to good to be true and they were in the news because of false advertising.
I think they can be good if you've been in hospital for cancer treatment that might also kill bacteria in your gut
 
kermit_rr said:
I don't take them but my mum does. I read up on them because it all seemed to good to be true and they were in the news because of false advertising.
I think they can be good if you've been in hospital for cancer treatment that might also kill bacteria in your gut
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So you do have some indirect experience of them.:):):)
Does your mum think they made any difference to her?
(Thinking about it i wonder if my bruv takes them as he has been on chemo recently.
I'll have to ask him.)
But trying to get a handle on this isn't easy.:rolleyes:
You can go onto 10 different "Ten best Probiotic" sites and get totally different ones listed. And none of the ones i looked at mentioned the ones the doc mentioned.:rolleyes::(
There are thousands of manufcturers of the blessed things.:mad:
The thing I hung onto was a proper medical study with a control group taking placebos, that looked into probiotics and folliculitis. The peeps concerned reckoned that one particular ingredient in some probiotitics was effective. Lactobacillus planterum, which as its name suggests is NOT to be found in any dairy based probiotic so not in any form of dairy yoghurt based drink.
So this is what I was hunting down. A lot of probiotics don't have it in. But the two mentioned by the doc did, just not in large quantities.
Having found one that did, and having made the mistake in ordering it, I will not now have them before Satdi.:rolleyes:
We'll have to see.;):)
 
Stanleysteamer said:
So you do have some indirect experience of them.:):):)
Does your mum think they made any difference to her?
(Thinking about it i wonder if my bruv takes them as he has been on chemo recently.
I'll have to ask him.)
But trying to get a handle on this isn't easy.:rolleyes:
You can go onto 10 different "Ten best Probiotic" sites and get totally different ones listed. And none of the ones i looked at mentioned the ones the doc mentioned.:rolleyes::(
There are thousands of manufcturers of the blessed things.:mad:
The thing I hung onto was a proper medical study with a control group taking placebos, that looked into probiotics and folliculitis. The peeps concerned reckoned that one particular ingredient in some probiotitics was effective. Lactobacillus planterum, which as its name suggests is NOT to be found in any dairy based probiotic so not in any form of dairy yoghurt based drink.
So this is what I was hunting down. A lot of probiotics don't have it in. But the two mentioned by the doc did, just not in large quantities.
Having found one that did, and having made the mistake in ordering it, I will not now have them before Satdi.:rolleyes:
We'll have to see.;):)
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My mum was and is healthy. She started having them because of the advertising. I'm not aware they've made any tangible difference 'but they're good for you'.
I'm off the opinion, for a normal, person with a healthy gut, they are a waste of money. I also don't see what they offer that any other regular yoghurt does not. Based on my non medical background
 
kermit_rr said:
My mum was and is healthy. She started having them because of the advertising. I'm not aware they've made any tangible difference 'but they're good for you'.
I'm off the opinion, for a normal, person with a healthy gut, they are a waste of money. I also don't see what they offer that any other regular yoghurt does not. Based on my non medical background
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But, if you've been ill or had cancer treatments etc, they can help restore a balance. Maybe.

I've heard of more radical treatment where bowel bacteria get killed off or suppressed.. the treatment for that doesn't sound nice!!
 
kermit_rr said:
My mum was and is healthy. She started having them because of the advertising. I'm not aware they've made any tangible difference 'but they're good for you'.
I'm off the opinion, for a normal, person with a healthy gut, they are a waste of money. I also don't see what they offer that any other regular yoghurt does not. Based on my non medical background
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I too wouldn't take them if I hadn't been advised to for a specific condition, as I too think I had a healthy gut. I also eat quite a lot of youghurt every week.
We also eat generally healthily, cooking with fresh ingredients, etc etc. As in all things, a balanced diet......
So a bit of a shame that she seems to have fallen for some clever advertising
But as I said, for mt specific condition the Baccilus plantarum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactiplantibacillus_plantarum
So it is supposed to help with reducing cholesterol (for which my doc would like me to take statins, (blow that) and improve metabolism, which I need seeing as I'm a fat ****.
"K21 also reduces the levels of cholesterol and triglyceride, and inhibits the accumulation of lipid in 3T3-L1 preadipocytes. Furthermore, it reduces the level of plasma leptin, mitigates liver damage and alleviates glucose intolerance. Finally K21 inhibits body weight gain and fat mass accumulation."
Although I have no idea which strain the one I have ordered, has in it.
This article doesn't mention improving folliculitis but then that is something a bit more rareified and I did, as I said, only find one article on that.
Interestingly it says it is well present in brine stored olives which we usually eat a lot of in France. We have 3 jars in the fridge! I think I'll just get on and empty them all!
Must admit I don't eat any sauerkraut though I quite like it.
Supposed to help brain function too which again I need as I find it hard at times to remember the specific names for things sometimes.
At the end of the day, like many people, if the medics are failing to find a solution to a problem, peeps look elsewhere.
Gullible or not.
I'm just trying to not be gullible.

I won't tell you about the thing I took to alleviate arthuritis, which really was a rip off.:(:(:(:(
 
kevstar said:
I got @ lo@n of one of @ l@d in the y@rd :D just ordered one for 30 quid. :)
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So you got a free thing which you never had before, so now you are spending out £30 to support the free thing!

I suppose it's cheaper than buying the whole shebang. And I suppose it is something you always needed just never got around to getting.
Never realised these things needed a special, separate and expensive charger. i thought they WERE a charger in some ways. I've got a batt charger that will also start a car, but it needs to be plugged into the mains to do both.
I may have misunderstood what it is you've got so I'll post this then look back.
Edit coming up if I've made a rick.
Edit, nope no rick made. It just doesn't have a built in charger, which seems bonkers to me but then what do I know?
 
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