I would just like to say

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Colthebrummie said:
We have our telly on less too. We used to put.it.on about midday cos the dog likes.to watch the drug sniffer dogs on boarder patrol and nothing to declare. We leave alexa playing the radio now but the dog starts making grumpy growling noises at midday. She is a boarder collie so can tell the time and has a good memory.

Col
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so not a day girl then?

Couldn't resist!!:D:D:D:D
 
Stanleysteamer said:
DAB is digital radio, you can get it on a special radio or possibly on the telly or your pooter.
https://getdigitalradio.com/ways-to-listen/
W listens to it on her iPad, or her special radio, and I have just checked and I can pick it up via the set-top-box and recorder, (our Humax). I just do "+" then "change group" which puts up all the radio stations. Channel 700 on.
There are some lovely old comedy shows on there, like Hancock, etc. I can also listen to Smooth radio which suits me, although you have to put up with the ads.
sounds like your FM signal isn't good.:(
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I fort we went through @derwendolly s tinternet issues how soon you forget;).

J
 
DanClarke said:
I had understood that HWS at less than 60° could cause Legionnaires disease bacteria to flourish.
What temperature is it that you are storing the hot water at? Or is it a Combi-boiler?
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I'm not sure about temps and Legionella, and I thought that happened only in open water situations like condensers on roofs of buildings where they had Air con.
also Legionella has to get in there first. But I will check. Put it this way, this has been like it for a month now and we are still here to tell the tale.
It is a very old system by today's standards. Gas boiler heats water which goes off to heat the water cylinder and the rads. There is a small overflow tank in the roof with the conventional ball valve, so I think this is called an open system?
the HW tank is fed by a big plastic water tank in the loft. So open again.
 
DanClarke said:
I had understood that HWS at less than 60° could cause Legionnaires disease bacteria to flourish.
What temperature is it that you are storing the hot water at? Or is it a Combi-boiler?
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Ideally DHW should be stored at 60 and distributed at 50. The L bugs like water between 20 and 45, with nutrients and stagnant. If the water in the tank is regularly replaced then you could argue it'd be OK. Dont think I'd want to risk it.
 
Stanleysteamer said:
I'm not sure about temps and Legionella, and I thought that happened only in open water situations like condensers on roofs of buildings where they had Air con.
also Legionella has to get in there first. But I will check. Put it this way, this has been like it for a month now and we are still here to tell the tale.
It is a very old system by today's standards. Gas boiler heats water which goes off to heat the water cylinder and the rads. There is a small overflow tank in the roof with the conventional ball valve, so I think this is called an open system?
the HW tank is fed by a big plastic water tank in the loft. So open again.
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Fair point, most outbreaks occur in large, complex system where it can grow and spread more easily.
 
Just checked and yes Legionella thrives between 20 and 45 degs C If there are nutrients.
Before we have showers I turn the water up to 65 degs and that kills it, the stat is a long way down the tank so the water above it will be well higher. Also I clean shower heads regularly. We don't have spas or any of the other stuff that could spread it via droplets. And the water in the tank is constantly changed as we use it for the DW and the WM too. Tank in the roof is prolly below 20 degs which is what it needs to be. And the water in the system overflow never gets near the roof tank. they are a long way apart and both are covered. In France we have two temp indicators on the tank, one close to the top and the other one is on the computer system that monitors the pump and all the gubbins. and the difference between them is always quite amazing. Heat deffo does riseI But in France where it is solar we keep the water temp high. It is used in both machines again. And when the weather is forecast to be colder we turn it up even higher to have a reserve. Technically it could go up to 95 but I have never risked that.:eek:
Because we leave each system alone for 6 months at a time I have been conscious of this ever since we moved in and take precautions. Especially when we first get to a house. Slam the heating on and cook the watter! And don't shower till the heads have been cleaned.;)
 
Turktowner said:
Fair point, most outbreaks occur in large, complex system where it can grow and spread more easily.
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There was also the case of the poor guy who died from it after taking the top off the jacuzzi in the DIY store and breathing in the water vapour. :(
But I do think it is silly to heat water so high that you have to add cold to make it usable for washing/bathing. :)
 
Turktowner said:
Fair point, most outbreaks occur in large, complex system where it can grow and spread more easily.
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and with dead end pipes and showers that only get used occasionally.
worth using the water regularly though. If you only use it for washing yourself and showering I'd be a lot more bothered.
Oh and don't lean to close to the bog when you flush it!!!!:eek::eek::eek:
 
DanClarke said:
There was also the case of the poor guy who died from it after taking the top off the jacuzzi in the DIY store and breathing in the water vapour. :(
But I do think it is silly to heat water so high that you have to add cold to make it usable for washing/bathing. :)
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In France the watter that comes out of the tank has, by law, to be mixed with cold to make it down to a "safe" temp. (New builds). The plumber had to come and change this fancy valve as he'd accidentally buggered it up when changing the sacrificial anode. I always gets alongside trades when I can and this guy is really decent. So he explained everything he was doing all the time so I could learn how to do it myself. Even recharging the special caloporteur liquid for the solar HW system using a central heating pump on a stand! He also gave me the old stuff back and said if I filtered it I could reuse it, cos it ain't cheap!
So no matter what I do the hot water coming out of any tap is at max 55 degs. But you couldn't shower in that, you'd get scalded. You do have to mix it with cold, no way round it. But agree it does seem a shame and it's tempting to only heat the tank to 50 degs or so.
 
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