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> Douglas A. Shrader wrote:
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> >>>> If your 4WD setup reduces your turning ability and eats tyres like
> >>>> that it must be a very bad setup.
> >>>
> >>> You simply cannot turn the front wheels as sharply when you have an
> >>> axle trying to turn also as you can with no turning axle. Even the
> >>> part time 4x4 will bind when making a sharp turn in 4 wheel drive
> >>> mode.
> >>>
> >> What are you talking about? My axle doesn't turn - I doubt yours does
> >> either! I expect part-time 4WD to bind when turning, but not a
> >> permanent 4WD system with 3 diffs.
> >
> > I think I see the problem here. I am not talking about a permanent 4
> > wheel drive with 3 diffs, I'm talking about full time four wheel
> > drive, which only has two diffs. The two diff setup with no option to
> > use two wheel drive has always been call Full time four wheel drive,
> > long before I ever heard of the diffs being used, and that is the
> > diffintion I think of when someone says fulltime.
> >
> If you have fulltime 4WD with only 2 diffs, how is the difference in
> distance travelled by the front and rear axles on solid surfaces?
Did you really have to post this exact same question four times?
>
> >>
> >>> I'm sure not all full time 4x4's eat tires like that Jeep did, but
> >>> they still have accelerated tire wear, now way around it.
> >>>
> >> Why? 200hp divided by 4 wheels driven is 50hp each, half that of
> >> 2WD. As long as you have a well designed 3 diff 4WD system wear will
> >> not increase over 2WD.
> >
> > See above.
> >
> >>
> >>> My tyres (with fulltime 4WD) last 40,000 miles and
> >>>> handling is unaffected. As for fuel consumption, the savings are
> >>>> very marginal from what I have experienced, perhaps there are some
> >>>> figures that would demonstrate the savings? As for wear and tear,
> >>>> well it must be a delicate vehicle if driving your 4WD in 4WD wears
> >>>> it out prematurely.
> >>>
> >>> Drive a part time 4x4 and you wouldn't make such statements. Tires,
> >>> sure, you get 40,000 in fulltime, you might get 60,000 on the same
> >>> tires with part time, and your handling is affected, you are just
> >>> compensating for it. Milage varies greatly, large decrease when
> >>> driving in four wheel drive mode, even the owners manuals will tell
> >>> you that, not to mention the hit you see when you refuel.
> >>>
> >> I own a part-time 4WD LR Series 2. The tyres don't last any longer
> >> than my Discovery. I'm not compensating for the fact that my Disco
> >> handles
> > better -
> >> it handles better *because* it is 4WD. When I drive my SII in 2 or
> >> 4WD the mileage varies by 1mpg at most.
> >
> >
> > See above.
> >
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> The point of full-time 4WD is that it is always there when you need
> >>>> it. You hit a greasy bit of tarmac, its already there, pulling out
> >>>> of a wet junction - already there. Patchy snow covered road with
> >>>> some clear tarmac, already there. Towing heavy loads on road etc,
> >>>> etc.
> >>>
> >>> THe point of learning to drive, you don't need it there. Hit a
> >>> greasy bit of tarmac, who cares, just go on across, you don't need
> >>> four wheel drive for that. Wet junction, same thing, even if it's
> >>> solid ice you don't need four wheel drive, you just need driving
> >>> ability. None of the items you listed require four wheel drive,
> >>> sure in some cases it makes it a bit easier, but not required by
> >>> any means
> >>>
> >> Yeah right. And if I eat enough carrots I don't need headlights
> >> either. . . . . . Makes me wonder why all these idiots buy 4WD.
> >
> > Now your being silly, I expected better from you. The road was snow
> > and ice covered this morning here, I had no trouble making it to work
> > in 2 wheel drive. 4 wheel drive is used when there are four foot
> > drifts across the road, not patches of snow here and there.
> >
> I didn't say you couldn't drive in bad weather without 4WD, but it does
make
> it easier, just like night driving with headlights is easier than without.
And if you read my original post I said 4WD makes it easier but is not
required, whereapon you decided to say something silly.
>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> I wonder if part-time is so good, why all manufacturers have or are
> >>>> dumping it?
> >>>
> >>> Many good ideas are left behind because the general public is to
> >>> dumb to survive without help. Sure there are smart individuals but
> >>> they don't buy enough to control the market. Please don't take that
> >>> as a personal insult, it isn't intended as such. Don't know about
> >>> your country but quality is fading fast here because to many people
> >>> base purchase decisions on price. Why spend $20.00 on a wrench when
> >>> I can buy this one for $2.00? Then when the $2.00 bends they gripe
> >>> about it "they don't build things like they used to", then they go
> >>> out and buy another $2.00 wrench. Part time is great for people
> >>> like me, I really don't care what you want to drive. You asked for
> >>> reasons, I gave you reasons. To and for me they are valid, to each
> >>> his own.
> >>
> >> As I said before I own bothe full and part-time 4WD vehicles, so I
> >> get a good view of both.
> >
> > See above, what you and I were calling fulltime are not the same
> > vehicles. Tell me, does your part time have two or three diffs?
> >
> My part-time system has 2 diffs - I can't understand how a permanent 4WD
> system with only 2 instead of 3 diffs could allow for rotational
differences
> between front and rear axles. What vehicles have a permanent 4WD system
with
> 2 diffs?
Examples listed in other post. I do wish you wouldn't ask the same question
four times in four different posts.
The part you don't understand is the part that made me state part time is
better than full time, for the reasons I gave in my very first post. Please,
seriously, reread all the posts, everything you are asking here has already
been explained.
>
> > It is fair to say that your reasons are vaild to you and
> >> I respect that, I do suspect that the real problem is the lack of
> >> availability of decent permanent 4WD system in US vehicles. As you
> >> say, cars are cheaper in the US and purchased more on price than
> >> here in my experience which is why I thin low-tech is more
> >> acceptable as long as the price is also low.
> >
> > You thin? ;-)
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong by all means - which vehciles in the US come with
> permanent 4WD?
Permanet four wheel drive is the term I used for vehicles with three
diferentials. Full time four wheel drives included the Jeep I listed in the
first post and the others listed there as well. Now, why did you ask this
four times in four different posts all made by you at the same time?
