Cooking oil in TD5

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G-man said:
grow up! all i said was the cooler goes in the return line and petrol will damage your injection system,

and to have controlled cooling you need control systems such as a thermostatic valve and monitoring systems.... where as i think you will be working on guesswork


and what is a '****in fact'??? i'll give you a 'fact' i tried to give you some advice.... trying to be helpful...you didn't like what i said and spat the dummy, would it be my problem if you crashed and they found undocumented safety critical modifications?? NO

some people you just can't help :rolleyes:
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Cant say fairer than that!

:dnfnoob:
 
Just going back to tax. Does anyone know (not guess or repeat what someone in the pub said) Are there any legal issues with fuel other than duty paid pump diesel or bio. Can you show any links to the legislation please?
 
4.2.1 Exempt producers/users
If you have produced or used less than 2,500 litres of:
any biofuel, or
any other fuel substitute or additive
within the last 12 months, and/or expect to produce or use less than 2,500 litres in the next 12 months, you are an exempt producer and do not need to register with us and account for duty. However, there are simple record keeping requirements, which are described in paragraph 4.9.1.


Well I suppose (any other fuel substitute) means old engine mineral oil!
 
LR90 said:
4.2.1 Exempt producers/users
If you have produced or used less than 2,500 litres of:
any biofuel, or
any other fuel substitute or additive
within the last 12 months, and/or expect to produce or use less than 2,500 litres in the next 12 months, you are an exempt producer and do not need to register with us and account for duty. However, there are simple record keeping requirements, which are described in paragraph 4.9.1.


Well I suppose (any other fuel substitute) means old engine mineral oil!
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Now I have read it again it looks like engine oil may not be allowed. The legislation refers to "fuel substitute" and states that it is any liquid used IN PLACE OF MINERAL (hydrocarbon) OIL...Suggesting that you cannot replace one mineral oil (diesel) with another (engine oil) It appears they are saying that the alternative should not be a mineral?

Here's the definition ..


Fuel substitute

Any liquid used in place of a mineral (hydrocarbon) oil as fuel for any motor, engine or other machinery.

.......back to SVO by the looks of it. I guess that would make thinning with kerosene, white spirit or the use of hydraulic oil also a no,no:(..................................................although it's not clear if that means replacing the diesel (mineral) ......Does it mean you can't replace it with another mineral oil?
 
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trucker5774 said:
Now I have read it again it looks like engine oil may not be allowed. The legislation refers to "fuel substitute" and states that it is any liquid used IN PLACE OF MINERAL (hydrocarbon) OIL...Suggesting that you cannot replace one mineral oil (diesel) with another (engine oil) It appears they are saying that the alternative should not be a mineral?

Here's the definition ..


Fuel substitute

Any liquid used in place of a mineral (hydrocarbon) oil as fuel for any motor, engine or other machinery.

.......back to SVO by the looks of it. I guess that would make thinning with kerosene, white spirit or the use of hydraulic oil also a no,no:(..................................................although it's not clear if that means replacing the diesel (mineral) ......Does it mean you can't replace it with another mineral oil?
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it also means no thinning with petrol.............;)
 
trucker5774 said:
I've spent ages trying to get to the bottom of it CharlesY..........have you spotted anything you can point us to?
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For a start,

"Any liquid used in place of a mineral (hydrocarbon) oil as fuel for any motor, engine or other machinery."


So, no wood or coal dust (coal dust diesels do exist), but ANY LIQUID is OK, if it is used in place of a mineral (hydrocarbon) oil as fuel for any motor, engine or other machinery.

It does not say that this "any Liquid" cannot be another oil.

There's no doubt in my mind reclaimed oils are OK.
 
CharlesY said:
For a start,

"Any liquid used in place of a mineral (hydrocarbon) oil as fuel for any motor, engine or other machinery."


So, no wood or coal dust (coal dust diesels do exist), but ANY LIQUID is OK, if it is used in place of a mineral (hydrocarbon) oil as fuel for any motor, engine or other machinery.

It does not say that this "any Liquid" cannot be another oil.

There's no doubt in my mind reclaimed oils are OK.
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Hi CharlesY. Please don't think I am arguing with YOU. I really hope you are right. I just don't trust the tax man.The small amount of legal studies I have done makes my suspicious and very exacting over the wording and how the authorities would apply it. If you read it as ......any liquid "in place of" then it has to take the place of a mineral oil, not be one. If I was to say what would you like in place of jam on your toast, then the replacement would not be jam! The use of petrol I think is straight forward and duty paid.
As far as I am aware you cannot use white spirit or kerosene and fear that engine oil and hydraulic oil may fall within the same rule (even if it is reclaimed) I can feel a phone call to HMRC coming on:eek:
 
trucker5774 said:
Hi CharlesY. Please don't think I am arguing with YOU. I really hope you are right. I just don't trust the tax man.The small amount of legal studies I have done makes my suspicious and very exacting over the wording and how the authorities would apply it. If you read it as ......any liquid "in place of" then it has to take the place of a mineral oil, not be one. If I was to say what would you like in place of jam on your toast, then the replacement would not be jam! The use of petrol I think is straight forward and duty paid.
As far as I am aware you cannot use white spirit or kerosene and fear that engine oil and hydraulic oil may fall within the same rule (even if it is reclaimed) I can feel a phone call to HMRC coming on:eek:
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Argue away! It's how we work things out.

I still believe reclaimed / used oil is OK.
I don't have time today to fight through the regs.
I see your line of argument, but as we don't agree, it may be abiguous.

The accused is always entitled to the benefit of the doubt.
 
OK guys, I have contacted HMRC and asked about using engine oil, hydraulic oil and 2 stroke oil. We will just have to wait for the reply. I will post it in due course.
 
trucker5774 said:
OK guys, I have contacted HMRC and asked about using engine oil, hydraulic oil and 2 stroke oil. We will just have to wait for the reply. I will post it in due course.
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:eek: didnt give your name did you?

Looking forward to the outcome but i expect it will be a reply of

NO! who are you? where do you? live we want to inspect your vehicle and then estimate how much you've used and then bill you for tax!! :doh:
 
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