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Illegal? How's that? Having an EGR is not mandatory. No one in their right mind has one fitted.
It's illegal to remove or tamper with any emission control items, egr and cat included and has been for a while.
You are a very naughty boy 😏
Edit: I do wonder if that also includes fiddling with the fuel system.
 
It's illegal to remove or tamper with any emission control items, egr and cat included and has been for a while.
You are a very naughty boy 😏
Edit: I do wonder if that also includes fiddling with the fuel system.
Couldn't care less.
 
I couldn't either but at least you now know.
So who's going to prosecute me? No one's even interested. All mechanics are aware that EGRs are fitted to some Defenders and other vehicles. Checking its existence is not a part of the MOT anyway, just an emisions test. If it passes then it is legal. I'm not going to mess up my engine because of some stupid idea.
 
So who's going to prosecute me? No one's even interested. All mechanics are aware that EGRs are fitted to some Defenders and other vehicles. Checking its existence is not a part of the MOT anyway, just an emisions test. If it passes then it is legal. I'm not going to mess up my engine because of some stupid idea.
Actually I do believe they are meant to check them and fail if missing or tampered with, same with the cat and dpf if fitted.
I imagine you will only get in trouble if stopped by vosa or in a fatal accident and the vehicle is inspected.
MOT and being illegal are two different things. MOT checks the vehicle is fit for the road, not necessarily for illegal mods.
I watched a police video the other day where they (police) put a car in for a cat removal and tune. The company is being prosecuted for letting them drive away, if the car was trailered away then the company would have escaped prosecution.
Don't get me wrong I am not lecturing you or even bothered about you removing the egr or whatever.
It's good to be informed and the chance of anything happening is very low indeed.
 
Actually I do believe they are meant to check them and fail if missing or tampered with, same with the cat and dpf if fitted.
I imagine you will only get in trouble if stopped by vosa or in a fatal accident and the vehicle is inspected.
MOT and being illegal are two different things. MOT checks the vehicle is fit for the road, not necessarily for illegal mods.
I watched a police video the other day where they (police) put a car in for a cat removal and tune. The company is being prosecuted for letting them drive away, if the car was trailered away then the company would have escaped prosecution.
Don't get me wrong I am not lecturing you or even bothered about you removing the egr or whatever.
It's good to be informed and the chance of anything happening is very low indeed.
If we were all scared of governments and complied with all their bs (like masks etc) we would be living in a prison. Mind you we're nearly there now! Tbh they can do what ever they like - I am not complying.
 
If we were all scared of governments and complied with all their bs (like masks etc) we would be living in a prison. Mind you we're nearly there now! Tbh they can do what ever they like - I am not complying.
Good for you.
To be honest I didn't mind wearing a mask, didn't have a cold or anything.
Had a quick look and you might be ok with removing on a TDI as far as the mot is concerned being pre 2002.
 
. Exhaust emission control equipment
You only need to check components that are visible and identifiable, such as catalytic converters, oxygen sensors, and exhaust gas recirculation valves.

You should reject all vehicles first used on or after 1 September 2002, where original emissions control equipment components are missing, obviously modified or obviously defective.

Vehicles used prior to 1 September 2002 should only be rejected, where a full catalyst test could apply. Use the flowcharts 1, 2 and 3 to decide which emission test is applicable for the vehicle being tested.
 
Good for you.
To be honest I didn't mind wearing a mask, didn't have a cold or anything.
Had a quick look and you might be ok with removing on a TDI as far as the mot is concerned being pre 2002.
Masks do nothing, they just show everyone you are compliant. In fact they are dangerous to lungs. But that's another story. I'm OK with it being removed on my 300 tdi too. My point is laws are to be tested.
 
Checking its existence is not a part of the MOT anyway,
It is if they can see it:
"8.2.2.1. Exhaust emission control equipment
You only need to check components that are visible and identifiable, such as diesel oxidation catalysts, diesel particulate filters, exhaust gas recirculation valves and selective catalytic reduction valves.

If a diesel particulate filter has clearly been cut open and rewelded, you should reject it unless the vehicle presenter can show evidence that there was a valid reason to cut it open, such as for filter cleaning.

DefectCategory
(a) Emission control equipment fitted by the manufacturer missing, obviously modified or obviously defectiveMajor"

So they can simply fail your MOT if they notice it is missing. not a prosecution.
A lot simply choose to ignore it but if you p!ss one off he could fail you.
 
It is if they can see it:
"8.2.2.1. Exhaust emission control equipment
You only need to check components that are visible and identifiable, such as diesel oxidation catalysts, diesel particulate filters, exhaust gas recirculation valves and selective catalytic reduction valves.

If a diesel particulate filter has clearly been cut open and rewelded, you should reject it unless the vehicle presenter can show evidence that there was a valid reason to cut it open, such as for filter cleaning.

DefectCategory
(a) Emission control equipment fitted by the manufacturer missing, obviously modified or obviously defectiveMajor"

So they can simply fail your MOT if they notice it is missing. not a prosecution.
A lot simply choose to ignore it but if you p!ss one off he could fail you.
I took mine off in 2007. Why should I **** anyone off? If I had an issue with them I wouldn't go back. It's that simple.
 
I took mine off in 2007. Why should I **** anyone off? If I had an issue with them I wouldn't go back. It's that simple.
I posted on another thread my experience the other day where a D head ****ed off my local MOT tester who is a really decent bloke and would never be unfair. You could get yourself into a situation where you end up going to a testing station where there are a bunch of jobsworths working. In this case the bloke had come back for retest and a service, he had bought some ball joint boots and got annoyed cos they wouldn't fit them as they had had too many experiences where peeps had bought sh!t ones from China for them to fit that didn't do the job and then came back and moaned at them. So, yep, he ffed off to another testing station. We all laughed as we knew he wouldn't get better service anywhere else and any work he paid for would be more expensive.

Not saying you would deliberately p"ss any one off, but it could happen.

I have kept all the EGR stuff for both vehicles I have taken it off just in case the law changes and they are made to look for it.
 
I posted on another thread my experience the other day where a D head ****ed off my local MOT tester who is a really decent bloke and would never be unfair. You could get yourself into a situation where you end up going to a testing station where there are a bunch of jobsworths working. In this case the bloke had come back for retest and a service, he had bought some ball joint boots and got annoyed cos they wouldn't fit them as they had had too many experiences where peeps had bought sh!t ones from China for them to fit that didn't do the job and then came back and moaned at them. So, yep, he ffed off to another testing station. We all laughed as we knew he wouldn't get better service anywhere else and any work he paid for would be more expensive.

Not saying you would deliberately p"ss any one off, but it could happen.

I have kept all the EGR stuff for both vehicles I have taken it off just in case the law changes and they are made to look for it.
No it won't happen. This is all hypothetical 'stuff'. As I said, never had any EGR problems or any others with testing, but thanks for your time.
 
Good for you.
To be honest I didn't mind wearing a mask, didn't have a cold or anything.
Had a quick look and you might be ok with removing on a TDI as far as the mot is concerned being pre 2002.
Although they put out the idea that mask wearing was supposed to help protect the wearer, they were very inefficient at that unless they were the top class one worn by docs.
BUT they were a lot more efficient at limiting transmission from an infected person, which is why they kept on about them and made it mandatory to wear them.
I do wonder if they had told the public that, whether they would have been more compliant or less? Less I expect.
 
Although they put out the idea that mask wearing was supposed to help protect the wearer, they were very inefficient at that unless they were the top class one worn by docs.
BUT they were a lot more efficient at limiting transmission from an infected person, which is why they kept on about them and made it mandatory to wear them.
I do wonder if they had told the public that, whether they would have been more compliant or less? Less I expect.
They stop spit - nothing else. They don't stop anything, but they can cause bacterial lung infections and hypoxia etc if worn for too long. It was all a massive hoax. I could explain it in depth but this is a Land Rover forum. I never complied and never will with the next mRNA ones planned either and neitrher should anyone else. A little research will tell you a lot.
 
They stop spit - nothing else. They don't stop anything, but they can cause bacterial lung infections and hypoxia etc if worn for too long. It was all a massive hoax. I could explain it in depth but this is a Land Rover forum. I never complied and never will with the next mRNA ones planned either and neitrher should anyone else. A little research will tell you a lot.
So what if you had two vulnerable oldies in your family? When I took food to my parents I wore a mask to help stop then getting something from me, it made me feel better. Certainly didn't spend my whole day wearing one.
While this is indeed a Land Rover forum you are also allowed to talk about whatever you like in the appropriate section.
Also I think it was reasonably well known that a mask doesn't stop the person wearing it from catching an infection.
All the same it sounds like I should maybe wear one behind your Land Rover maybe?
 
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