Bad tram lining after new tyres

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Blue407

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Hi guys

Got a late '53 freelander sport td4 with 18" wheels.
Two rear tyres just been fitted, had to go for 'budget' ones as don't have much spare cash right now.

Couple of miles down the road and it's all over the place, was only going 30-40mph and nearly had an accident in my pants!!

Then bad tramlining in the smallest of road ruts.

Anyone else experienced this before?

I will be phoning the tyre place back tomorrow to get these taken off.
They are Accelera tyres if that helps....

I've checked the pressures and adjusted them back down to 32psi. Still as bad.
Any advice or recommendations on sensibly priced tyres appreciated!
 
Don't know anything about those tyres but I do know that some vehicles just don't like some makes of tyre and they can make it anything from unpleasant to downright dangerous to drive.

My wife had an MGF several years ago and when the original Good Year Eagles wore out on the rear I had them replaced with Continentals and the vehicle was transformed from a fine handling vehicle to a wallowing monster. Over the next few months we tried different combinations of tyre pressures etc until we gave up and junked the Continentals and fitted some Eagles. The result was a vehicle which performed as it always had and was a pleasure to drive (if you like that sort of thing).
Same with my bike. Always liked Avons and fitted some Distanzias to my BMW but the thing was horrible so once again I had to junk them and go back to what I had been using before.
It can be an expensive lesson but occasionally you have to stick with what you know works.
 
We normally tell people to fit the new tyres on the rear on Freelander 1's, as you've done. But also to buy the same make, model and size of tyre that you have on the front. Reason being the difference in size of tyre between manufacturers can make a big different to you having to pay £1k to repair your Freelander, or not.

The Freelander front wheels turn slightly faster than the rears. Hecne if you have mixed tyre tread depth then put the deeper tread on the rears. Thats with the same make, model and size of tyre. If your going to mix manufacurters then your running a risk that I wouldn't. Try to get some which match the fronts - same make, model and size.
 
Hi Mate,

PLEASE NO NOT IGNORE THIS

I recently replaced two rear tyres, I fitted Accelera tyres
(235/50R18 Accelera Phi XL TL 101Y)

I fitted them to the rear as advised when not replacing all 4 but due to the manufacturer not making them a standard size, the overall size was 40mm bigger than the front ones (part worn pirrelli scorpions) which killed my IRD in under 100 miles.

In Short, measure the tyres and allow only for a 5% difference in overall diameter between new rear and old fronts.

Any tolerance outside this and dont drive your car, without removing the prop first.

I now have a replacement IRD and 4 Accelera tyres fitted and it drives great.

The Accelera tyres seem very good, well liked by taxi drivers from what i've read, good all round grip and last ages and cheap as chips.

Hope this helps and does'nt scare you too much

Siblo
 
LROi had a damn good write up on the VCU. I cant remember how it went but basically....

Ideally with tyres from new, when driving all will rotate at the same rate meaning both sets of blades in the Viscous fluid of the VCU also rotate at the same rate. So as the front wheels drive, the rear wheels 'follow' behind without themselves driving.

When the front wheels slip and rotate faster this change in rotation is fed down the drive shaft from IRD to the VCU which in turn drives front set of blades faster. The fluid stiffens and presses against the rear blades so driving the rear wheels and giving motion.

If a smaller circumference wheel is on the rear wheels this has the effect of rotating the rear blades faster than front blades which in effect transfers force back up to the IRD. There will be a difference in drive from engine and drive from rear wheels which is what kills IRD.

Putting new tyres on the rear has rear blades running slightly slower which is allowed in the design of the VCU. Too much difference however is likely to cause problems.
 
siblo said:
Hi Mate,

PLEASE NO NOT IGNORE THIS

I recently replaced two rear tyres, I fitted Accelera tyres
(235/50R18 Accelera Phi XL TL 101Y)

I fitted them to the rear as advised when not replacing all 4 but due to the manufacturer not making them a standard size, the overall size was 40mm bigger than the front ones (part worn pirrelli scorpions) which killed my IRD in under 100 miles.

In Short, measure the tyres and allow only for a 5% difference in overall diameter between new rear and old fronts.

Any tolerance outside this and dont drive your car, without removing the prop first.

I now have a replacement IRD and 4 Accelera tyres fitted and it drives great.

The Accelera tyres seem very good, well liked by taxi drivers from what i've read, good all round grip and last ages and cheap as chips.

Hope this helps and does'nt scare you too much

Siblo
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Mate, you're a lifesaver!

That absolutely makes sense.

Question now is, what do I do:-

1. Phone company and say tyres not fit for purpose on my vehicle and insist they get some Pirelli Scorpions in at low price to replace them (I just pay difference)

2. Phone company and say tyres not fit for purpose on my vehicle and want pair for front as cheap as they can possibly do them...

Are you really happy with yours now you have 2 sets on?
Or if you had known straight away, would you have had a set of Pirelli's on the back instead?
 
Technically speaking the tyres are fit for purpose. They are just tyres and they will work as tyres all day long. It's the car's narrow tolerance of acceptability that is the problem... Do land rover publish an distribute a data sheet on this to make the fitting options widely known to the tyre industry or is it just in the owners handbook?
 
Dartmoor Navigator said:
Technically speaking the tyres are fit for purpose. They are just tyres and they will work as tyres all day long. It's the car's narrow tolerance of acceptability that is the problem... Do land rover publish an distribute a data sheet on this to make the fitting options widely known to the tyre industry or is it just in the owners handbook?
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I almost had an accident doing 30-40 MPH, car was quite literally all over the road. So I can not see how they were fit for purpose on my vehicle.....

I phoned tyre fitter and said I need 2 x XXXX size budget tyres, how much?
We agreed a price but at no point did anyone ask me what vehicle was it for or what was already fitted.
Surely we should expect tyre places to be 'experts' in their field?
 
They probably are experts but not clairvoyant! Is that information published anywhere? If it isn't then how would they know.... If it's in the owners handbook then the clue as to responsibility is in the name of that book.

I wish you well, and do hope they replace them for you :)
 
Dartmoor Navigator said:
They probably are experts but not clairvoyant! Is that information published anywhere? If it isn't then how would they know.... If it's in the owners handbook then the clue as to responsibility is in the name of that book.

I wish you well, and do hope they replace them for you :)
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I've understood form posts on here that the handbook just recommends fitting 4 together, if not new ones on back. Thats what I did....
 
If you fit what us recommended you might have a case but I think if you deviate from recommended then it is your risk. One way to find out is ask your insurance company!!!! Note: I don't really suggest this but you get my point.

I fitted wide low profiles to my Dads old Jaguar some 35 years ago - it ruined the handling - looked good but the car was all over the place tramlining - changed back to standard and it was fine.
 
siblo said:
is your fl a "sport" or "sport premium" with the slightly lower and stiffer suspension? that might make a difference.
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How would I tell? V5 Just says Freelander Sport. Has unusual beige leather sports seats though...

I do think it is lower than standard, remember noticing this when parked next to another 'std' Freelander in car park.
 
Can anyone advise:-

1. Fit same tyres to front or

2. Get some Pirelli Scorpions instead on back......
 
Blue407 said:
Can anyone advise:-

1. Fit same tyres to front or

2. Get some Pirelli Scorpions instead on back......
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Just had a quick call with tyre garage, they have offered me some Kumho KL17's at £128 ea fitted or can have the Pirelli Scorpion STR's at £170 ea fitted......

Ammended to £499 for 4 x Kumho or £595 for 4 x Pirelli.....
 
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