Anyone else got snow? ❄️
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Late last night it was well white here in Pembrokeshire, all gone today and raining again.
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Basking in the lovely blue sky in the far North of Scotland 
Plenty of snow about but not enough to warrent the big coat yet.
Plenty of snow about but not enough to warrent the big coat yet.
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Standard summers day thereBasking in the lovely blue sky in the far North of Scotland
Plenty of snow about but not enough to warrent the big coat yet.
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What do you use to tow folks out and how do you strap things together. I'm pretty good on the slippery stuff (rally driving years ago) but not very experienced at pulling vehicles.View attachment 332828
Quite a lot up here in Yorkshire.
Been out doing side missions this morning, pulling a few cars and giving stranded walkers a lift to Tesco
It's probably something I should apply myself too as my '94 200TDi/R380 Tith has a 1.6 transfer box giving a fair bit of grunt for a gentle pull out and it would be great to help but I want to avoid flying hooks etc.
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Guy I helped had a rope on him and I just put it around one of the rear bars. Didn’t have to take him far and seemed to work
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little bit of the white stuff basked Manchester.
little bit of the white stuff basked Manchester.
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It's fraught with problems to be fair.
With regards to equipment, on your car you need tow points, something solidly attached to the chassis, a jate ring or tow ring/ball solidly attached to the bumper/dumb irons.
I'm not a fan of using the tow ball on the back of the car, jate rings are (IMHO) a much better option.
The key is to ensure that the tow point on your car is solid and it's fixed to something solid, not a rusty chassis or rear cross member.
A 10M long, 4 ton endless roundsling would be ideal as they can be fixed and used in a variety of configurations.
Roundsling 4ton 10mtr (circ) - Damar Webbing Solutions Ltd
Application: Lifting, softer than duplex slings so better for delicate surfaces, manufactured to the BS EN1492: 2000 standard with test certificate Material:
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To attach to your car either a 5/8", 3.25T 'Bow' shackle or a soft shackle.
To attach to the load I would use a 2 ton duplex strap
Lifting Slings Duplex 2ton 2mtr - Damar Webbing Solutions Ltd
Lift loads of up to 2 tons with these polyester Duplex Lifting Slings, complete with reinforced eyes for added security. Use one or more of these slings with
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The strop can be past around something solid on the car you are pulling out (the load), the sling can pass through the eyes of the strop and then attach to your car using the shackle.
How you attach your sling will define the distance you are from the load. 5M (max) or 2.5M with the sling folded in half.
Both the sling and the strop will not break instead they will rip bits off the load or your car, it's therefore important that you connect both ends to something 'solid' and be aware of how much load you are applying.
Don't snatch, take up the tension and then apply a gentle pull. Nothing sudden.
Make sure no one is between the load and you. Pull in straight lines.
Some say you should always let the "customer" attach the rope to his car but I always have a conversation first along the lines of, "If this pull damages your car in any way I am not liable" ...
I have refused to do some as there was nowhere to attach the strap to and the car was well stuck in the mud.
These days I have a winch which makes life 50 Million times easier.
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We are at 1500m, and the snow/rain line was at 1700ish most of the day. Got lower overnight, so woke up to this.
For reference, peaks opposite are 3000, ridge on the right climbs from 2000 to 3000.
For reference, peaks opposite are 3000, ridge on the right climbs from 2000 to 3000.
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I'm little curious, if a good Samaritan does cause damage to towing a vehicle out of snow. What do insurance do for claim for the damage. My guess the owners fault, for not being able to anticipate the problem first and not having rescue services. If you know your route is servere, enough to be rescued on heavily snow regions you prepare. I admire people who offer aide with proper vehicles in severe conditions, but I feel they should be registered as secondary road rescue.
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Pretty sure it's you call a pro recovery truck to pull you out of a hedge, any additional damage done during the recovery is on you.
Should be no different if a passer-by stops to help in their landy
Should be no different if a passer-by stops to help in their landy
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I think you do have to be negligent and reckless to become liable.
If in the act of being a good Samaritan the car is damaged as (for example) the front wing was bent away as it was embedded in a tree then you are not liable.
If however you attach your strop to the radiator/oil cooler mounting/pipes and rip all that out, or attach it to the rear bumper and pull half the rear bodywork off as you recklessly tried to 'jerk the car free, then that would be negligence on your part and you are liable to be sued for damages.
If in the act of being a good Samaritan the car is damaged as (for example) the front wing was bent away as it was embedded in a tree then you are not liable.
If however you attach your strop to the radiator/oil cooler mounting/pipes and rip all that out, or attach it to the rear bumper and pull half the rear bodywork off as you recklessly tried to 'jerk the car free, then that would be negligence on your part and you are liable to be sued for damages.
Would it be a willing acceptance of risk on both parties if you undertook a tow out unless the stuck party signed a disclaimer? And what qualifications did the person trying to help have? What insurance to undertake the activity was in place? What if a third party was injured? Then who is liable? Lots of questions to consider…
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you dont need qualifications, nor insurance. you're not doing it for a living. a lot of people dont comprehend the difference between doing something as a member of the public vs as a pro/for a living, whatever 'it' is
I get that. However, it’s a case of what if something goes wrong. No doubt insurers will look to hang blame somewhere. And if something goes catastrophically wrong, what then? We’ve all helped others and believe it or not, I’m not trying to discourage it, just putting something up for thought.
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Quite nice thought in the light of modern family cars impact sensors. I believe America have crash reporting vehicles for insurance if emergency required. Even our own Landrovers have crash sensors for fuel cut off. Especially as the push for Electric vehicles being a premium. Maybe more efficient public information on severe weather warning for the permanently thick. It's good to help in fact offer to aide rescue. But sometimes you may add to the damage of certain crashed vehicles. A rescue is to give comfort and safety in your warm vehicle away from the accident.
The first sign of snow brings out lots of 4x4 owners in camo trousers and lifted off-roaders with LED light bars wanting to tow people. How many have thought of the what-ifs though? Help takes many forms, not just towing others just because you can. I’m not a doom merchant, but I’d be very wary of us feeding the ambulance chasers.
Sorry to hijack the thread. I’m sure more pics will follow soon!
Sorry to hijack the thread. I’m sure more pics will follow soon!
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