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The reason I would never use a carabiner is because your relying solely on a thread to keep the structure/integrity of the loop intact. Imposing a load on the threads which is a wearable part is never ideal. Also because only one side tightens up its likely to open the loop up and stress on the thread stretching and failing. I'd never use one. Also the chance of failure if not correctly tightened is a point to consider thus I think they would just open up easily.

Lets compare this to a cheap rated £5 bow or D shackle. A shackle you are pulling on a substantial pin loading in in shear. The thread only holds the pin in place so that it does not fall out many use a nut and or a split pin and washer as such the thread is non critical to the strength of its structure unlike a carabiner.

Ropes vs strops.

Use of a winching/lifting strop is also IMO a poor choice in almost any situation bar winching, especially in snow. My reasoning is this: A strop is only good if you take up the strain and then drive off. This means you need to have great traction in the towing vehicle. This is never happening in the snow unless you have dedicated tyres and or chains. It means that because you are using traction as your only means to shift the stuck vehicle it simply cannot be that stuck. If you do try and use the weight of the towing vehicle to aid the recovery to unsettle the stuck vehicle using a strop this doesn't work well. Because the strop will go taught instantly with zero kinetic properties (as needed for lifting/winching) it will impose much higher loads on towing equipment instantaneously to the attachment points, chassis and occupants than really necessary to get the job done.

Ropes, Well they are expensive. But these can really aid recovery smoothing out if you do need to give a tug to unsettle the vehicle using the towing vehicles weight as an advantage. Because the time between rope take up and time the rope goes taught is much longer that a lifting strop this smooths out the recovery and can aid getting vehicles out by unsettling them and using the weight of the towing vehicle as an added advantage. I don't mean snatch recovery for the road and snowy typical conditions we are talking about here. However we do, do this yearly in competitions and yes it does work. Its not pretty but nothing fails. (Even tow balls funny enough if attached correctly). Lets just substitute a rope for a lifting strop in these comps we would be ripping off towing attachments and damaging chassis and occupants backs whilst not actually achieving getting vehicles unstuck. This is why strops are banned from this competition by Motorsport UK.


Why do recovery firms use strops. Simply put they winch everything and everything needs to be certified for use LOLER. Typically recovery trucks do not have great traction and everything is winched out on and recovered.


Soft shackles are replacing shackles for safety reasons less mass should something go wrong and become a projectile but for hard wearing a decent rated bow shackle works great so long as the attachment points are adequate. Recovery companies still use steel winch cables because they can take punishment most drivers care very little for the cable dragging cars on their beds at 3 am whereas a winch rope would be toast within a matter of weeks if they did the police recovery work that I've been involved in a few years ago while steel cables last years.
 
Jai, there is no thread in a three way locker.

And I do not see much comparison between motor sport recovery and dragging a family car back out of a snow drift.

Context is everything.
 
Jai, there is no thread in a three way locker.

And I do not see much comparison between motor sport recovery and dragging a family car back out of a snow drift.

Context is everything.
I get that but I see, all the time people using the wrong gear making things harder when you’re looking for every advantage possible.


The comps just show how much the setup can deal with over and above what we use them for (note no shackles just ropes and tow balls).

Looked at a triple lock and the internals are worse for me as the nominal diameter becomes really small. Much much smaller than a screw type I believed you was using so I certainly wouldn’t use them for anything bar static lifting lowering as they are intended.

Certainly when they get shock loaded even with a safety rating if it’s still 7:1 like it was when I used to work that stuff out even then, especially with strops as above.

I’d not risk it if your happy to then that fantastic and wish you well.


Simply put, for me we’ve all done sketchy stuff, and got away with it but when things escalate, recovery changes why have limiting equipment for the sake of cost, ease of use or knowledge when you can just get the right equipment often at a very competitive price designed to work for its application that does not limit or inhibit you getting the job done should it change.


We did a lane rescue of a discovery in Essex, I think the disco 1 was there 3 days? (It was pretty bad) many landyzone guys and girls went and failed it was moved maybe 50 yards before we got there. We were all a helpful bunch back then younger and enthusiastic!

It took us 6-8 hours to get the guys out.
Massive effort from all involved winching, ropes and all sorts. It’s probably on Herts laners page somewhere.
Turning up with sub standard, limiting equipment would have made that an absolute nightmare more that it was. None of us could actually stand up it was so slippery.

I think I use almost all the kit in the bag probably 10 shackles high lift as a winch. I ended up driving my 90 into a tree strapping it to another and we winched the discovery out and as it came down the lane sliding into a drop off into a river we had it strapped, a hand winch and highlift to several trees to stop it sliding sideways as it came back a few feet at a time. Was a monumental effort for all involved but job was a good one.

Limiting equipment used not at designed has no place in recovery kit.
 
I get that but I see, all the time people using the wrong gear making things harder when you’re looking for every advantage possible.


The comps just show how much the setup can deal with over and above what we use them for (note no shackles just ropes and tow balls).

Looked at a triple lock and the internals are worse for me as the nominal diameter becomes really small. Much much smaller than a screw type I believed you was using so I certainly wouldn’t use them for anything bar static lifting lowering as they are intended.

Certainly when they get shock loaded even with a safety rating if it’s still 7:1 like it was when I used to work that stuff out even then, especially with strops as above.

I’d not risk it if your happy to then that fantastic and wish you well.


Simply put, for me we’ve all done sketchy stuff, and got away with it but when things escalate, recovery changes why have limiting equipment for the sake of cost, ease of use or knowledge when you can just get the right equipment often at a very competitive price designed to work for its application that does not limit or inhibit you getting the job done should it change.


We did a lane rescue of a discovery in Essex, I think the disco 1 was there 3 days? (It was pretty bad) many landyzone guys and girls went and failed it was moved maybe 50 yards before we got there. We were all a helpful bunch back then younger and enthusiastic!

It took us 6-8 hours to get the guys out.
Massive effort from all involved winching, ropes and all sorts. It’s probably on Herts laners page somewhere.
Turning up with sub standard, limiting equipment would have made that an absolute nightmare more that it was. None of us could actually stand up it was so slippery.

I think I use almost all the kit in the bag probably 10 shackles high lift as a winch. I ended up driving my 90 into a tree strapping it to another and we winched the discovery out and as it came down the lane sliding into a drop off into a river we had it strapped, a hand winch and highlift to several trees to stop it sliding sideways as it came back a few feet at a time. Was a monumental effort for all involved but job was a good one.

Limiting equipment used not at designed has no place in recovery kit.
Gave up doing winch event when I started racing. Got told off a few times for pulling motors back to the finish line behind us on a lap.
Ropes at all times
 
I think 2008 I was marshalling a local comp and got told off after a trials lad smashed his steering box and I dragged him back to the pits.

I do enjoy comp safari but I’m not great at it but it makes me smile
 

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