Airbags to Springs whats required?

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As above really what is required to convert the airbags to a spring setup on a p38a? I've seen the kits on ebay but am unsure of which to buy and if they are complete with everything you need to carry out the conversion?

Thanks in advance for advice and suggestions.
 
If you're going to go that route, make sure you buy one of the better kits (Terrafirma, Bearmach or something similar) as the P38 is slightly heavier on the right side, this is obvious with cheaper kits as they don't compensate for the sag.

But chances are fixing the EAS for the life of your P38 would cost less than a Air to Coils kit.
 
Wish i could fix the eas, garage that attempted a repair on it have botched it only answer seems coil spring conversion :mad:

How much is a decent spring conversion kit? I've seen them vary on ebay between £200 to £1000
 
Evolving said:
Wish i could fix the eas, garage that attempted a repair on it have botched it only answer seems coil spring conversion :mad:

How much is a decent spring conversion kit? I've seen them vary on ebay between £200 to £1000
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Ignorance isn't bless :cool:
 
Evolving said:
Wish i could fix the eas, garage that attempted a repair on it have botched it only answer seems coil spring conversion :mad:

How much is a decent spring conversion kit? I've seen them vary on ebay between £200 to £1000
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What is the problem you're having? No doubt it is a simple fix. The EAS is a simple system, just slightly fragile.
 
Bix said:
What is the problem you're having? No doubt it is a simple fix. The EAS is a simple system, just slightly fragile.
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The front would rise as normal but the rear was lazy would take a few minutes for it to rise after being parked overnight. Then the EAS fault appeared on the dash and all 4 lights started flashing next to the air button at which point i took it to the garage, they diagnosed it as being the valve block. They changed it then had an issue with the key/immobilizer which took them weeks to sort out, anyway they sorted that and now the suspension wont rise at all its on the bump stops all round.

I've had a second opinion from another garage who are suggesting to swap it to coil springs which is why I'm here I need expert opinion not a main dealer one who will more than likely suggest i spend loads on a 4x4 which is worth a few hundred.
 
Evolving said:
The front would rise as normal but the rear was lazy would take a few minutes for it to rise after being parked overnight. Then the EAS fault appeared on the dash and all 4 lights started flashing next to the air button at which point i took it to the garage, they diagnosed it as being the valve block. They changed it then had an issue with the key/immobilizer which took them weeks to sort out, anyway they sorted that and now the suspension wont rise at all its on the bump stops all round.

I've had a second opinion from another garage who are suggesting to swap it to coil springs which is why I'm here I need expert opinion not a main dealer one who will more than likely suggest i spend loads on a 4x4 which is worth a few hundred.
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Rear should always rise first, someone may have put the pipes in the wrong place. Fix the EAS coils are crap.
 
There is all the info you need online to fix it, even free software available for you to reset it and do checks, spend some time to look around on the net and fix your EAS, it's worth it
 
You'd be forever declaring the mod to your insurance company every time you renew. The old question "Has the car been modified from factory specifications in any way". If you answer yes, your premium might go up, if you answer no and are subsequently involved in an accident where braking played a part (most at fault accidents I would assume), they could refuse to pay out because the modified suspension system *could* have had a bearing on the incident and they weren't aware of it.

At worst, 4 new air bags £200 and easy DIY. A valve block kit refurb £15-20 and a compressor refurb similar. Easy to do the whole lot for less than £300 including leads and software (the latter is free). You might well not need bags depending on their condition, but if they are older than 8-10 years or cracked, they should be done.

A home DIYer who has never done them before should be able to do the lot in a day.

Nik
 
Evolving said:
The front would rise as normal but the rear was lazy would take a few minutes for it to rise after being parked overnight. Then the EAS fault appeared on the dash and all 4 lights started flashing next to the air button at which point i took it to the garage, they diagnosed it as being the valve block. They changed it then had an issue with the key/immobilizer which took them weeks to sort out, anyway they sorted that and now the suspension wont rise at all its on the bump stops all round.

I've had a second opinion from another garage who are suggesting to swap it to coil springs which is why I'm here I need expert opinion not a main dealer one who will more than likely suggest i spend loads on a 4x4 which is worth a few hundred.
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Sounds like your garage don't know what they're doing. I hope they're not LR specialists.
Did they even do a cursory check for leaks? The problem is that lack of maintenance can cause a number of problems that can accumulate and play off eachother. You may well have had a leaky valve block, but that could have been overhauled rather than replaced. Chances are your compressor is probably a bit weak by now and if your airbags have never been replaced then they're probably due as they will probably be leaking too (speeding up the wear on the compressor).

If it's not moving at all now then it's probably faulted out and will need the faults clearing.

If you're up for some DIY there is plenty of good advice available on here. You could start by looking through Wammers' excellent sticky:
http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f71/checking-eas-compressor-diaphragm-valve-172555.html

I know it probably sounds a bit intimidating at first but it's really a very simple system. The main thing you may need is the free software on a laptop to help diagnose problems and clear faults.

Coil springs might sound like an attractive alternative, but you really are removing one of the best features of the vehicle, although others have done it and claim to love them.
 
Evolving said:
As above really what is required to convert the airbags to a spring setup on a p38a? I've seen the kits on ebay but am unsure of which to buy and if they are complete with everything you need to carry out the conversion?

Thanks in advance for advice and suggestions.
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First off you need a brain transplant.:rolleyes:
 
Agree to all the above. Whoever you took your car to don't know what they are talking about. Take a look at wammers "how to", pm Datatec for the lead and software, check previous posts to make sure the pipes are in the correct position. When you get the lead find out what faults are shown and get back on here, there are plenty of people who will talk you through the fix. You may even get a member who lives close to help you for tea, cake or beer vouchers. DO NOT PUT IT ON COILS, you will regret it :)
 
Rear rises first at all times, someone has either got the pipe positions wrong or more likely replaced the solenoid coils in the wrong place, easy fix. If you will pardon the French the garage are ****ers.
 
NikTheGeek said:
You'd be forever declaring the mod to your insurance company every time you renew. The old question "Has the car been modified from factory specifications in any way". If you answer yes, your premium might go up, if you answer no and are subsequently involved in an accident where braking played a part (most at fault accidents I would assume), they could refuse to pay out because the modified suspension system *could* have had a bearing on the incident and they weren't aware of it.

At worst, 4 new air bags £200 and easy DIY. A valve block kit refurb £15-20 and a compressor refurb similar. Easy to do the whole lot for less than £300 including leads and software (the latter is free). You might well not need bags depending on their condition, but if they are older than 8-10 years or cracked, they should be done.

A home DIYer who has never done them before should be able to do the lot in a day.

Nik
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Wouldn't it also be an MOT fail because of the loss of headlamp levelling?
 
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