stuu · Dec 9, 2022

Datatek said:
It's twisted logic, it's fine to take a petrol guzzling 5 litre super charged V8 into ULEZ as long as it's fairly new but not an older 1.6litrre fuel efficient car
If there was real concern about pollution and climate change, these over size engines would be banned as would over powered inefficient EV's which just move the pollution to where it is out of sight so out of mind.
Scrapping an old car and making a new one makes more pollution than I will make with my P38 in what is left of my life.
I am now sure it's all about economics, keeping the car industry busy.

Its funny you say that my 4.2 s/c isnt subject to ulez yet my 2003 td6 was,
Its all just greed the lot of it

aj1954 · Dec 9, 2022

kermit_rr said:
If!!

It's only ever been about politics and money, that actual, real environment doesn't matter so long as the politicians and big business look good.. making you think you feel good too because you pay green tax

I don't feel good paying green tax, I feel p1ssed off, we're taxed enough as it is

backinblack · Dec 9, 2022

It won't be long before there are lots of EV's scrapped due to knackered old batteries.

Datatek · Dec 9, 2022

backinblack said:
It won't be long before there are lots of EV's scrapped due to knackered old batteries.

Too true

kermit_rr · Dec 9, 2022

The batteries still aren't recycled. They say they are but only in a fashion, the cells are split up and reused elsewhere.. but the actual, physical chemicals can't be processed yet

Datatek · Dec 9, 2022

kermit_rr said:
The batteries still aren't recycled. They say they are but only in a fashion, the cells are split up and reused elsewhere.. but the actual, physical chemicals can't be processed yet

It seems that is true from what I have read.
Lithium batteries are also causing fires on waste disposal sites causing more pollution.

brianp38dse · Dec 9, 2022

Datatek said:
It seems that is true from what I have read.
Lithium batteries are also causing fires on waste disposal sites causing more pollution.

One of my brothers works at a waste recycling center (Grundons) and he was saying that the small disposable vapes that cost £4 to buy cost £100 each to recycle because of the lithium battery that has to be removed and made safe and they have to have special containers to put them in and special fire extinguishers it is total madness.

kermit_rr · Dec 9, 2022

Been reading up on dpf filters.. it seems ash buildup is an issue as can't be removed by any kind of regen, an off car clean is required

jwrrc · Dec 9, 2022

kermit_rr said:
Been reading up on dpf filters.. it seems ash buildup is an issue as can't be removed by any kind of regen, an off car clean is required

I'm thinking of buying something without a green oval as a commuter (I love Red Rover but 1988 is a bit old for a daily). I won't buy anything post 2010 because of DPFs - we get so many blocked DPFs that won't regen it's ridiculous!

Scotiawhiskers · Dec 9, 2022

Mark Piercy said:
it's only opened for steel production why not if they have to open it use the coal for the energy crisis

You mean at the steelworks the government doesn't want to pay to keep open? Westminster planning and organisation at its finest.

Scotiawhiskers · Dec 9, 2022

backinblack said:
It won't be long before there are lots of EV's scrapped due to knackered old batteries.

Or burned out because they are so difficult to extinguish when they short or otherwise catch fire. And then probably set fire to all the others at the same charging area...

Scotiawhiskers · Dec 9, 2022

kermit_rr said:
Been reading up on dpf filters.. it seems ash buildup is an issue as can't be removed by any kind of regen, an off car clean is required

Someone I knew worked in a bus depot. One of his co-workers, once a year before his MOT would bring the DPF off his car in to work and flush it through with the industrial size steam cleaner they had. Must've been OK as it kept passing....

kermit_rr · Dec 9, 2022

Scotiawhiskers said:
Someone I knew worked in a bus depot. One of his co-workers, once a year before his MOT would bring the DPF off his car in to work and flush it through with the industrial size steam cleaner they had. Must've been OK as it kept passing....

Maybe it would have passed anyways?

Mark Piercy · Dec 10, 2022

jwrrc said:
I'm thinking of buying something without a green oval as a commuter (I love Red Rover but 1988 is a bit old for a daily). I won't buy anything post 2010 because of DPFs - we get so many blocked DPFs that won't regen it's ridiculous!

Short journeys is what kills em!

jwrrc · Dec 10, 2022

Mark Piercy said:
Short journeys is what kills em!

It is, but lots of them have stupidly narrow regen windows. So, it won't regen with less than X or more than Y grams of soot, but X and Y are so close it's very hard to actually get to that sweet spot.
My current job is probably just on the cusp of where I'd need to periodically regen the DPF.
I'd buy a petrol, but the VED is stupid on them compared to similar diseasals.

So I'm planning on a Jag XF that's pre 2010 and as low mileage as I can find for the money I want to spend on a commuter.

kermit_rr · Dec 10, 2022

jwrrc said:
It is, but lots of them have stupidly narrow regen windows. So, it won't regen with less than X or more than Y grams of soot, but X and Y are so close it's very hard to actually get to that sweet spot.
My current job is probably just on the cusp of where I'd need to periodically regen the DPF.
I'd buy a petrol, but the VED is stupid on them compared to similar diseasals.

So I'm planning on a Jag XF that's pre 2010 and as low mileage as I can find for the money I want to spend on a commuter.

And you can't see how many grams there are without a diag tool

jwrrc · Dec 10, 2022

kermit_rr said:
And you can't see how many grams there are without a diag tool

Meaning by the time the car tells you your DPF needs attention, it's fooked (I'm thinking of BMW specifically here, they're a bloody nightmare!)

kermit_rr · Dec 10, 2022

jwrrc said:
Meaning by the time the car tells you your DPF needs attention, it's fooked (I'm thinking of BMW specifically here, they're a bloody nightmare!)

I need to get adiag sooner then later

jwrrc · Dec 10, 2022

kermit_rr said:
I need to get adiag sooner then later

Or drive to Scotland with your foot hard down on the loud pedal

aj1954 · Dec 10, 2022

kermit_rr said:
The batteries still aren't recycled. They say they are but only in a fashion, the cells are split up and reused elsewhere.. but the actual, physical chemicals can't be processed yet

My laptop battery needed replacing earlier this year, I opened the old one and found 5 x 18650 cells, only one wouldn't hold a charge for
long, the others were fine, I use them for my electronic projects, if the EV battery packs are constructed the same, (1000s of 18650 cells)
it wouldn't take many bad cells to make a battery pack pretty much useless.

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