melon

melon

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Sorry if this topic has been covered before.

What current vehicle by any manufacturer would take the place of the defender. If you wanted a car that was ready to go off road as standard. Not bothered about the luxuries of a Rangie and just wanted something basic? Something suited to farm life?

A G wagon? Or maybe a Landcruiser?

There is nothing on sale today as rough and ready and up to the job as the Defender. There is a niche and a market for the Defender so why bin it off?

What would you buy?
 
I would buy a used Defender or keep the one I got :D - But I think the best 'utility' style 4x4 on the market otherwise is the Jeep Wrangler JK. A real jeep. I really just hope the new Defender will be a real land rover not some independent suspension crap. Nothing better than the Defender though. G wagon and landcruiser can sniff my diff.
 
Liked the old mogs but the current ones look like a duck thats had its face bashed in :5back2:
 
do farmers really need them anymore? most seem to use dirt/stone tracks and a comfy l200 does that no problem.
 
trax said:
do farmers really need them anymore? most seem to use dirt/stone tracks and a comfy l200 does that no problem.
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? no farmers have rrs whats your point cos ive think youve missed the point of the defender l200 is a gay builders truck
 
jamesmartin said:
? no farmers have rrs whats your point cos ive think youve missed the point of the defender l200 is a gay builders truck
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melon said:
Sorry if this topic has been covered before.

What current vehicle by any manufacturer would take the place of the defender. If you wanted a car that was ready to go off road as standard. Not bothered about the luxuries of a Rangie and just wanted something basic? Something suited to farm life?
?
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I was responding to that farm life bit.

i don't think it's really needed anymore for most farmlife, that i come across anyway.

estates and keepers don't do much offroading either. Most i see are driving about in l200s.
 
trax said:
I was responding to that farm life bit.

i don't think it's really needed anymore for most farmlife, that i come across anyway.

estates and keepers don't do much offroading either. Most i see are driving about in l200s.
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you shouldnt be driving a landrover if you dont understand ,buy a car
 
trax said:
I was responding to that farm life bit.

i don't think it's really needed anymore for most farmlife, that i come across anyway.

estates and keepers don't do much offroading either. Most i see are driving about in l200s.
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thats because they dont do any real work,farmers here have landys .the only farmer round here that has a nissan is cos e cant get in a defender so i do the landy jobs on the farm...:D

1 old neighbour is on his second landy after parting with his 40 year affair with a series:D,and thats 15 years old!!!!!

them jap wagons dont last long on the farm,the old chassis axle hilux do the time but most are dead now..

we would be stuck on the farm with out a land rover,every farm has at least 1 here...
 
There does seem to be a bit of a generation thing though - older farmers round me seem to have Landys, younger lads something Japanese. Not based on anything scientific, just what comes round to the abattoir down the road...
 
WillP said:
There does seem to be a bit of a generation thing though - older farmers round me seem to have Landys, younger lads something Japanese. Not based on anything scientific, just what comes round to the abattoir down the road...
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yep for the road work there very good,bet ya if you go back to their farm there is a defender covered in mud working...:D
 
Most round here have right posh rangies etc with little john deere things to run about on the farm in or gert big tracters
 
they usually run around on quads or if they need to tow then the tractors around here.

the point i was trying to make is that farmlife seems to have changed (from what i see anyway) so if you are making a replacement defender.. who is the market aimed at?

Also, most farmers i know are pretty tight, and buying one defender every 15 years won't make for ace sales :D
 
I personally think the only thing J/L is trying to figure out is how to keep the advertising association to the old defenders/landys, for the heritage and kudos,to help sell the new vehicles.
But as to future sales, I think the likes of the defender,in it's present form, has had it's day.
J/L make their money from new sales of modern vehicles, riding off the back of the old vehicles pedigree.
I have a 110 defender, and as most people on here says, it's a thing you want to love, I've had Land Rovers for the last 20 years, but this year will be my last. I just cannot see why I need to put up with the utterly old out of date vehicle it is.
And as such, I think that modern day business, be it farming, or any other out door business, that requires a 4x4 have more of a choice than just nostalgia, nostalgia earns TATA very little.
As I said the years of past glory, helps sell the very much new vehicles, and is the reason why sales are so high, nothing to do with the thousands of people who own 20 year old vehicles, who repair themselves and never go near a dealer.
Western power Neighbour now has Ford Ranger twin cab as work vehicle.
I live rural,farmer friend Range Rover Sport, and Renault personal car, massive 90 grand tractor and trailor for farm, the old picture post card green landy idea, not in the modern world...Just my look on it..
 
Ham Salad said:
I personally think the only thing J/L is trying to figure out is how to keep the advertising association to the old defenders/landys, for the heritage and kudos,to help sell the new vehicles.
But as to future sales, I think the likes of the defender,in it's present form, has had it's day.
J/L make their money from new sales of modern vehicles, riding off the back of the old vehicles pedigree.
I have a 110 defender, and as most people on here says, it's a thing you want to love, I've had Land Rovers for the last 20 years, but this year will be my last. I just cannot see why I need to put up with the utterly old out of date vehicle it is.
And as such, I think that modern day business, be it farming, or any other out door business, that requires a 4x4 have more of a choice than just nostalgia, nostalgia earns TATA very little.
As I said the years of past glory, helps sell the very much new vehicles, and is the reason why sales are so high, nothing to do with the thousands of people who own 20 year old vehicles, who repair themselves and never go near a dealer.
Western power Neighbour now has Ford Ranger twin cab as work vehicle.
I live rural,farmer friend Range Rover Sport, and Renault personal car, massive 90 grand tractor and trailor for farm, the old picture post card green landy idea, not in the modern world...Just my look on it..
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Toyota will step up to fill the market, Look at the UN passenger vehicles, used to be 110 wagons know they are toyota, The pickup version of the defender has also been replaced by toyota in other parts of the world. Look at all the film clips of fighting in the middle east what are the rebels driving ? Toyota pickups. They will be for sale in UK for that corner of the market, If defender would of put locking/lsd's in they could of maybe had stronger sales. They tried with a ABS/traction control thing, looking for a cheap fix to market demand.
 
I would keep to the defenders strength's.

Durable separate chassis
Twin live axles
Modular, easily customization construction

I would look into making the interior more modular such as removable dashboard modules.

I would also offer some proper V6 and V8 engines as well as optional locking axle diff's from the factory.

Electrics would be kept to a minimum with separate, easily accessible looms for accessories and modifications.

The roof must be removable in under an hour.
 
I think jeep should bring out there forward control in the UK:

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