They're not going to do any harm in the desert. But just because they're being dumped in the desert, doesn't mean they can't be recycled, just they can't be bothered to recycle them.
The Americans have been dumping stuff in the deserts for decades, as the thousands of dead planes and cars show, and those can all be recycled but they chose not to bother. ;)
Yep, it's the human condition, out of sight so out of mind.
 
The Atacama desert is produces about ⅕th of Australian lithium production.
Unfortunately lithium extraction requires quite a lot of water, which is an issue in the Atacama desert, as it's about the driest place on earth. This lack of water will be the limiting factor for lithium production there.

So how does anyone buy any technology stuff in France, considering 70% of everything electronic is made in China?
It's only really solar panels that are affected to protect local production, I have no problem sourcing other stuff.
 
It's only really solar panels that are affected to protect local production, I have no problem sourcing other stuff.
Been thinking about this.

If buying Chinese panels is only an issue in France, can't you drive into a neighbouring EU country, buy some there, and bring them back into France.
I assume that as you are still in the EU there is still tariff free cross border trade.
 
Can you imagine us trying to drive all the way to our place in France in an electric? Even if we could find charging points and didn't mind fast charging. It would be immensely frustrating and could even add another day to the journey, Unless we could guarantee a hotel room with a charging point for the overnight stop. And the vehicle would have to be capable of towing and have a good range, better than the ones normally quoted.
Agree, fine for just running around.
A lot of folks got caught out in the USA when the road home from work was blocked by an accident, many BEV's did not have enough charge to get round the diversion and there were no charging points nearby.
 
Been thinking about this.

If buying Chinese panels is only an issue in France, can't you drive into a neighbouring EU country, buy some there, and bring them back into France.
I assume that as you are still in the EU there is still tariff free cross border trade.
They are a restricted import to France, so I have no idea.
 
If I leave my ICE car for 6 months with a full tank of diesel, it will still have as near as makes no difference a full tank of diesel

It will start to degrade in 6 months, but the volume will remain about the same.
leave you BEV for 6 months, depending on the weather, too hot or too cold and the battery will be significantly depleted due to the environmental conditioning. A BEV consumes power even when it's not being used
Where do you get your information?
A typical BEV battery suffers about 2% loss of the remaining capacity per month of storage, sometimes more, sometimes less, depending on vehicle, environmental temperature and so on.
So after 6 months storage, it might loose 10% of it's charge.
You're 12 Volts starter battery for you diesel, will be dead however. ;)
 
Obviously the Uni that did the research were dumb:rolleyes:
Invariably universities don't carry out accurate assessments, which is how they learn.
It's a well known fact that the sun's rays can and are bounced back into space, when the ground is reflective. This is why the poles are so cold, as what little sun they get, is simply reflected back up into space, keeping them cold. The same thing happens when large areas of temperate climate areas get heavy snow fall, which artificially holds the local temperature down, as the sun's energy is returned to the sky. ;)
 
It will start to degrade in 6 months, but the volume will remain about the same.

Where do you get your information?
A typical BEV battery suffers about 2% loss of the remaining capacity per month of storage, sometimes more, sometimes less, depending on vehicle, environmental temperature and so on.
So after 6 months storage, it might loose 10% of it's charge.
You're 12 Volts starter battery for you diesel, will be dead however. ;)
The car battery will be just fine with a 20 watt solar panel attached:)
There is a lot of info on the internet, much of it propaganda in favour of BEV's.
For example the 20 year battery life. Batteries do not last a fixed time and then stop working they decline with time and use. I would bet that a 20 year old battery will have lost much of it's capacity, so a car the might have had a 250 mile range when new will be down to less than a hundred miles. Of course no one knows for sure how quickly batteries will last in the hands of couldn't care less consumers. The herd is stampeding and being encouraged by dodgy information.
 
If buying Chinese panels is only an issue in France, can't you drive into a neighbouring EU country, buy some there, and bring them back into France.

That's what I'd do.
The Chinese panels are so good, and very cheap, it's got to be worth a road trip. ;)
 
It will start to degrade in 6 months, but the volume will remain about the same.

Where do you get your information?
A typical BEV battery suffers about 2% loss of the remaining capacity per month of storage, sometimes more, sometimes less, depending on vehicle, environmental temperature and so on.
So after 6 months storage, it might loose 10% of it's charge.
You're 12 Volts starter battery for you diesel, will be dead however. ;)
2% X 6 months is not 10%
 
For the odd long haul trip, I would probably just rent a petrol car.
why not look at a plug in hybrid, my son has a golf, does about 60km on a charge which will get him to work, just, he charges it at work to get home, cheaper to buy, if he goes a long way he has to use some petrol but it does 5L per 100 KM which is good,
If you live in or near a city and do not do that many miles a day a good option and if you have to go somewhere quick not a problem
 
why not look at a plug in hybrid, my son has a golf, does about 60km on a charge which will get him to work, just, he charges it at work to get home, cheaper to buy, if he goes a long way he has to use some petrol but it does 5L per 100 KM which is good,
If you live in or near a city and do not do that many miles a day a good option and if you have to go somewhere quick not a problem
I have thought about those too. But I think the tax breaks on those have been dropped over here.
And in addition, I drive so little now it doesn't really matter. Down to an average of once or twice a week, I should think.
 
Wait till THEY start on watercraft emissions:eek:;)
They have, but it doesn't apply under 85 horsepower.
And in any case, going diesel electric will deal for the rest of my life, because most of the power can be accounted for as domestic.

All part of my strategy, stop you lot hogging the fuel with your gas guzzlers, more for us Boaters! :cool::D
 

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