Why aren't Defenders 4x4?!

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Ok, 4x4 school.

An open diff splits torque equally between the two half-shafts. It might not look like it, but the spinning wheel and the stationary wheel receive exactly the same torque. That's part of the design. Of course, if you've got a wheel spinning away in the air, torque on both sides is limited to nearly zero, and the enginel will spin up as if it's in neutral.

So a defender is four-wheel drive, in that each wheel is being driven by the engine. With all three diffs open, each wheel receives exactly 1/4 of the total torque. Compare this to a 4x2, where two wheels receive half the torque and two wheels zero, and it should be obvious that you can apply twice as much tractive effort without breaking traction.

The locking diff in the transfer box forces both axle diffs to turn at the same rate- this is the same as a part-time 4x4 system with 4wd engaged. If a rear wheel is in the air, 100% of the drive torque goes to the front, split 50/50 between the two wheels. So if one wheel from each axle has no traction you're still stuck. This is where locking axle diffs or traction control can help.

Traction control uses the torque-dividing property of an open diff to its advantage- by applying the brake on the slipping wheel, more torque can be applied to it, and hence the other wheel on that axle.
 
Ok, 4x4 school.

An open diff splits torque equally between the two half-shafts. It might not look like it, but the spinning wheel and the stationary wheel receive exactly the same torque. That's part of the design. Of course, if you've got a wheel spinning away in the air, torque on both sides is limited to nearly zero, and the enginel will spin up as if it's in neutral.

So a defender is four-wheel drive, in that each wheel is being driven by the engine. With all three diffs open, each wheel receives exactly 1/4 of the total torque. Compare this to a 4x2, where two wheels receive half the torque and two wheels zero, and it should be obvious that you can apply twice as much tractive effort without breaking traction.

The locking diff in the transfer box forces both axle diffs to turn at the same rate- this is the same as a part-time 4x4 system with 4wd engaged. If a rear wheel is in the air, 100% of the drive torque goes to the front, split 50/50 between the two wheels. So if one wheel from each axle has no traction you're still stuck. This is where locking axle diffs or traction control can help.

Traction control uses the torque-dividing property of an open diff to its advantage- by applying the brake on the slipping wheel, more torque can be applied to it, and hence the other wheel on that axle.

Yes, I had some idea of the technicalities of torque, but I still have the feeling that a true 4x4 should be able to drive all four wheels regardless of traction. That would undoubtedly get you out of some situations. It seems like LR have gone some way to making a true 4x4, but stopped short of finishing the job and adding at least one axle locker or traction control.
 
I do agree with the OP & yes I do fully understand the principles of 4x4 systems, having owned five series & three RRC's. It makes you wonder though (tongue-in cheek) how the LR has been so successful the world over for the last 67 years! As for 'what could have been done' what do you expect from a company that is so full of arrogance & complacently that it can't even be bothered to rust-proof it's products properly. It's also important to remember the part driver experience plays - off road it's possible for a well driven 4x2 to out-perform a badly driven 4x4. Traction is so much dependent on tyre choice as well (although experienced owners know that in reality there is no such animal as a true 'all terrain' tyre) also the way the 4x4 puts it's power down is often of more importance than having expensive gizmo's fitted by the manufacturer.
 
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My mate got my old disco stuck in the snow last month (chassis was beached on the snow so wheels werent fully on the ground) and i felt that a proper locking diff would of got it out so much easier as the two wheels spinning were the two with the least grip

Got out eventualy just took lots of abuse and shouting !
 
This is a good video and demonstrates the relationship with the 4x4

Often getting stuck is down to poor terrain reading or shifty gear choice or inappropriate tires. The only time I do t have difflock on is on the road, when laning I have it on most of the time. I have zxl's and they seem pretty decent off road. Driving style has a lot to do with it aswell.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cvXkkvWn0Sc
 
All mine have had TC for off-road use ..

For those who can drive, or have driven Trials, it's good old left-foot braking. Applied correctly at the right time it does exactly the same thing as electronic TC.

OK, I'm now working on a locking diff for the rear axle, but I'll still use LFB for the front axle occasionally .. :)
 
Interesting read. I've personally never felt the need for front/rear lockers in my 90.

I was in a mates old L200 which did have locking diffs along the drive train, does make you wonder though why LR never did it in the first place. From factory I can't imagine it would have been that tough to install. Easier still to have had them as an optional extra.
 
Interesting read. I've personally never felt the need for front/rear lockers in my 90.

I was in a mates old L200 which did have locking diffs along the drive train, does make you wonder though why LR never did it in the first place. From factory I can't imagine it would have been that tough to install. Easier still to have had them as an optional extra.
They probably tried it but found it broke the transmission and they're not going to bother upgrading that when people are still buying into their best 4X4 by far 'heritage' baloney..
 
Interesting read. I've personally never felt the need for front/rear lockers in my 90.

I was in a mates old L200 which did have locking diffs along the drive train, does make you wonder though why LR never did it in the first place. From factory I can't imagine it would have been that tough to install. Easier still to have had them as an optional extra.

You would if you worked a lot in really greasy conditions, they are the best thing you can do to a Landrover.

I never understood why lr didn't offer at least the option of a locker in the rear when the Japs had them! :confused:
 
You would if you worked a lot in really greasy conditions, they are the best thing you can do to a Landrover.

I never understood why lr didn't offer at least the option of a locker in the rear when the Japs had them! :confused:

I had em on a hilux, felt like it did chuff all. Driven l200s off road but never got that rough that i needed a rear lock.
 
I had em on a hilux, felt like it did chuff all. Driven l200s off road but never got that rough that i needed a rear lock.

The lane down to here is steeply sloping, and has a side slope, so the water runs down one side. On the rare occasions we get ice, I am the only one who can get up, standard lr just sits there with two wheels on one side spinning! :D

I wouldn't say it is rough conditions that need them, but greasy, like when you have to go a mile up a saturated field to rescue a downed sheep ;)
 
Been running Defenders for 8 years and 100s of thousands of miles. Love 'em.

Parked at home, on the road, in the workshop, they're 4x4s. Everybody knows that. Everyone calls them 4x4s.

Get stuck in a field, and what do you see? Two f@cking wheels spinning on one side. It's a bloody 4x2, that is!

The only real advantages over a normal car are low range, better ground clearance and one extra wheel spinning in the mud. They should have diff locks or LSDs fitted as standard, especially those without traction control.

4 wheel drive my @rse!


Don't you have TC?
 
slip locks/or posi on most 2 and 4 wheel trucks since the 70's as far as i know. is/was option for cars. not had experience with jeeps, just ford /chevy pickups and suv's

Yep, common on pick ups and so on in North America, probably why the Japs started fitting em, attempting to match domestic product on spec! ;)
 
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