Which 4x4

Adrian <[email protected]> wrote:

> Steve Firth (%steve%@malloc.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying :
>
> > The Land Cruisers just ran and ran.
>
> French-spec?

This may be a "whoosh" on my part but no, they were specced for Egypt.

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Steve Firth (%steve%@malloc.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

>> > The Land Cruisers just ran and ran.

>> French-spec?

> This may be a "whoosh" on my part but no, they were specced for Egypt.

French *military* spec? Run, and run...? <sigh> Never mind...

On 2005-06-03, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

> The Land Cruisers just ran and ran.

Well Landrover did design them to be easy to put together a long long
time ago, the Defenders need updating but I doubt Land Rover will do
it, too busy catering for the bling crowd now.

You've got to admit though that the landcruisers now are a tad
whale-like, the earlier ones were pretty good but I'm not keen on the
current crop at all.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert

Adrian <[email protected]> wrote:

> French *military* spec? Run, and run...? <sigh> Never mind...

Ah sorry, I thought it was Italians that were stereotypes that way. The
French just sit back and say "go on, take our country."

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:

> You've got to admit though that the landcruisers now are a tad
> whale-like, the earlier ones were pretty good but I'm not keen on the
> current crop at all.

But the Land Cruiser can carry a decent payload. The SWB Defender is a
joke, the LWB is OK in theory but you can't fit much through that door,
and the Disco and Range Rover are very, very bad jokes indeed. OK if all
you want to move is a pair of green wellies.

BTW, are the new Discos being built by BMW? Because the drivers act like
they are BMWs. Slip road to lane 3 no use of mirrors then stay there all
the way to their destination even if lanes 1 and 2 are clear for 30
miles.

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

"Range Rover !!...
> Seriously ?, thought they had a poor reputation?

Land Rover have an ill deserved reputation for reliability due to the abuse
they suffer with poor maintenance; like anything maintain it properly and it
will treat you fairly.

In Vietnam in the '60's they introduced the M16 with a reputation for no
maintenance with dire consequences in firefights, after they introduced a
regular maintenance regime the problem ceased.
( Due mainly to the fact that in the trials a better quality powder was used
which produced much less fouling and hence the reduced need to clean the
weapon; military issue powder caused considerable fouling and hence the
jams )

Hirsty's <[email protected]> wrote:

> Land Rover have an ill deserved reputation

No they have a well deserved reputation.

> for reliability

No their reputation si for unreliability.

> due to the abuse they suffer with poor maintenance;

Utter bollocks, Land Rover have the worst reputation for out of the
factory failures, before any maintenance has been done.

> like anything maintain it properly and it will treat you fairly.

Yes, and build it properly and it will work. A simple lesson that Land
Rover appeared unwilling to learn. Even Ford who know how to do QA have
had problems getting Land Rover to produce good reliable vehicles.

The good news is that Land Rover is improving, the bad news is they have
a long way to go.

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

How many old Jap 4x4's are there around in comparison to LR.
I've had my 110 from new for 7 years now and so far major failings have been
door button ( just gone), diff seal, under warranty, steering box replaced
after arguement with ground, alarm spider replaced.
Not bad, I'm happy with mine so I'll not rubbish others )

John H


" I do't have to take this abuse from you -- I have hundreds of people
waiting to abuse me "
Bill Murray, "Ghostbusters"




"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hirsty's <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Land Rover have an ill deserved reputation
>
> No they have a well deserved reputation.
>
> > for reliability
>
> No their reputation si for unreliability.
>
> > due to the abuse they suffer with poor maintenance;
>
> Utter bollocks, Land Rover have the worst reputation for out of the
> factory failures, before any maintenance has been done.
>
> > like anything maintain it properly and it will treat you fairly.
>
> Yes, and build it properly and it will work. A simple lesson that Land
> Rover appeared unwilling to learn. Even Ford who know how to do QA have
> had problems getting Land Rover to produce good reliable vehicles.
>
> The good news is that Land Rover is improving, the bad news is they have
> a long way to go.
>
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Hirsty's <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've had my 110 from new for 7 years now

Yeh, I know a fitter who had a hammer that had lasted him reliably for
over 15 years. Just three heads and four handles over that time, but
still original and reliable.

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

On 2005-06-04, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

> Yeh, I know a fitter who had a hammer that had lasted him reliably for
> over 15 years. Just three heads and four handles over that time, but
> still original and reliable.

A door button, a diff seal and a steering box are hardly the whole
truck Steve, and still you deny being a landrover-hater!

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert

> A door button, a diff seal and a steering box are hardly the whole
> truck Steve, and still you deny being a landrover-hater!



" In time we hate that which we often fear "

Shakespeare ( 1564 - 1616 )

In news:[email protected],
Tim Adlam <[email protected]> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls
with a rant as follows
> All the people I know that have Discos or Range Rovers
> (farmers mostly) have found them to be reliable tow cars
> when lugging plant trailers around. I'm now thinking of
> getting one myself.

I towed a 4 ton trailer to Greece a couple of years ago with a 3.9 Range
Rover.

Ok, the Rangie broke down when it got to Italy (ignition module went on the
fritz), but what a truly brilliant tow car.

To defend the Rangie, it was a Saudi import, hadn't been used for a fair
while, and other than an oil change its first run was 1400 miles towing -
and probably towing beyond it's design capability. The ignition module cost
£40 and took 10 minutes to change. It did, however, get us to our
destination, I suspect the heatsoak from 22 hours non stop towing and the
Italian midday sun probably caused the breakdown.

It replaced an ancient Rangie that'd been in Greece for 10 years, had never
had a proper inspection or service since leaving the UK, had done more than
its fair share of towing and off road duties since being in Greece and still
ran fine. I was seriously contemplating driving it back to the UK, but the
thought of driving 1400 miles across Europe with a 10 year out of date tax
disc and no MOT put me off somewhat.

I'm actually on the look out for a half decent old Range Rover Vogue at the
moment.

--
Pete M
"If it does more than 20 mpg in town, I don't want it"
Mercedes 260E, Porsche 911 Carrera 3.2
Ford Capri (ressurection started)
VW Golf Clipper Cabriolet

COSOC #5
Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain

For serious towing duties get a 1990-1995 4.2TD Landcruiser. Newer LC's are
okay but don't have all the offroad difflocks of the older one.

Nevillef



"MJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I hope you guys in here can offer me some advice.
>
> I need to purchase a secondhand 4x4 to tow my 21ft lift keel yacht.
> The gross weight of the yacht and trailer is going to be about 1600kgs +
> misc stuff in the boat so say 1700kgs.
> I am therfore contemplating a secondhand 4x4 and dont know what to go for.
> Options are:
>
> Pajero/Shogun
> Isuzu trooper
> Toyota Hilux Surf
> Any other suggestions.
>
> Vehicle will get used infrequently so fuel economy is not top of list,
> power and reliability is more of a requirement
>
> looking to spend in the region of 7K
>
> Any advice you can give I would be gratefull for
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> MJ
>

You could also try a Nissan Patrol. 1700kg isn't huge
anyway. They're not the best off road, but they tow well. I
know a civil engineering contractor who used one for years
and years and found it to be very reliable.

Tim A

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hirsty's <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Land Rover have an ill deserved reputation
>
> No they have a well deserved reputation.
>
>> for reliability
>
> No their reputation si for unreliability.
>
>> due to the abuse they suffer with poor maintenance;
>
> Utter bollocks, Land Rover have the worst reputation for out of the
> factory failures, before any maintenance has been done.
>
>> like anything maintain it properly and it will treat you fairly.
>
> Yes, and build it properly and it will work. A simple lesson that Land
> Rover appeared unwilling to learn. Even Ford who know how to do QA have
> had problems getting Land Rover to produce good reliable vehicles.

I have to agree with all of that.


>
> The good news is that Land Rover is improving, the bad news is they have
> a long way to go.
>

The Defender is still not very reliable but, speak as you find, my new Range
Rover has been faultless in its first year. Certainly *much* better than my
previous ML270 and X5.......so far.

Huw

"nevillef" <F_CK@FF_SPAMMERS.COM> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> For serious towing duties get a 1990-1995 4.2TD Landcruiser. Newer LC's
> are okay but don't have all the offroad difflocks of the older one.
>

I ran a '93 version for a few years and my current daily work vehicle is a
'98 Landcruiser 4.2.
There are no advantages to these vehicles compared to any other as far as I
am concerned. Up to around 3.5 tons towed then I actually prefer the Isuzu
Trooper [which I still run] to any other. The only proviso is that if the
vertical drawbar weight gets really excessive, as is possible when hauling
living cargo like cattle, then the bump stops tend to go AWOL from Troopers.

Huw