Which 4x4

I hope you guys in here can offer me some advice.

I need to purchase a secondhand 4x4 to tow my 21ft lift keel yacht.
The gross weight of the yacht and trailer is going to be about 1600kgs +
misc stuff in the boat so say 1700kgs.
I am therfore contemplating a secondhand 4x4 and dont know what to go for.
Options are:

Pajero/Shogun
Isuzu trooper
Toyota Hilux Surf
Any other suggestions.

Vehicle will get used infrequently so fuel economy is not top of list,
power and reliability is more of a requirement

looking to spend in the region of 7K

Any advice you can give I would be gratefull for

Thanks in advance.

MJ

MJ wrote:
> I am therfore contemplating a secondhand 4x4 and dont know what to go for.
>
> Vehicle will get used infrequently so fuel economy is not top of list,
> power and reliability is more of a requirement
>
> looking to spend in the region of 7K

Range Rover.

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The Caretaker .........

Seriously ?, thought they had a poor reputation?

MJ
"The Caretaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> MJ wrote:
>> I am therfore contemplating a secondhand 4x4 and dont know what to go
>> for.
>> Vehicle will get used infrequently so fuel economy is not top of list,
>> power and reliability is more of a requirement
>>
>> looking to spend in the region of 7K
>
> Range Rover.
>
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> The Caretaker .........

MJ wrote:
> Seriously ?, thought they had a poor reputation?

Seriously good towcars, though not quite as good as a 110/130 Landrover
Defender. In my experience they are as reliable, and arguably more so,
as any other 4x4 vehicle, 'specially as a long-term thing. They can
generally be easily mended for one thing.

I run a '96/'97 Discovery which has done over 30000 miles in the year
and a half we've had it, mostly towing a caravan and full loads. We
also have a Corsa for 'normal' car use.

The reason I suggested Range Rover instead of Disco is purely 'cos if
you honestly want to do low mileages, infrequently, the petrol engine
sounds superb, especially with a stainless straight-through exhaust .....

The unreliable moniker mostly comes from new vehicles.

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MJ <[email protected]> wrote:

> Pajero/Shogun
> Isuzu trooper
> Toyota Hilux Surf
> Any other suggestions.
>
> Vehicle will get used infrequently so fuel economy is not top of list,
> power and reliability is more of a requirement
>
> looking to spend in the region of 7K

Given that lot, have a look at a Yank Tank. Anything from the list of
Chevvy Blazer, Ford Explorer, Dodge Ram, Ford F150 should do. I chose
the Fraud Exploder, cheap, reliable, 20-25 mpg and it can **** on a Golf
GTi and cruise all day at 90 mph when not towing.

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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

(rearranged for sanity)

MJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "The Caretaker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > MJ wrote:
> >> I am therfore contemplating a secondhand 4x4 and dont know what to go
> >> for.
> >> Vehicle will get used infrequently so fuel economy is not top of list,
> >> power and reliability is more of a requirement
> >>
> >> looking to spend in the region of 7K
> >
> > Range Rover.
>
> Seriously ?, thought they had a poor reputation?

I wouldn't touch one with a 40ft pole. they break down every five
minutes and they're basically ****e. Ford, maintained at a Ford dealer,
£105 per service. You know it makes sense.

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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

The Caretaker <[email protected]> wrote:

[Range Rover]

> In my experience they are as reliable, and arguably more so, as any other
> 4x4 vehicle,

Yeh, as long as that 4x4 was made by Land Rover.

Compared to a Land Cruiser they are a joke. ****it, compared to a Ford
they are a joke.

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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 23:33:43 +0100, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
wrote:

>The Caretaker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>[Range Rover]
>
>> In my experience they are as reliable, and arguably more so, as any other
>> 4x4 vehicle,
>
>Yeh, as long as that 4x4 was made by Land Rover.
>
>Compared to a Land Cruiser they are a joke. ****it, compared to a Ford
>they are a joke.

There was a documentary about the Australian Outback a couple of weeks
ago. Everyone there drives Toyotas nowadays. Nuss said.
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Rooney <[email protected]> wrote:

> There was a documentary about the Australian Outback a couple of weeks
> ago. Everyone there drives Toyotas nowadays.

Or Ford Falcon Utes.

> Nuss said.

Pah, there's a "D" between "F" and "S" y'know.

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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 01:06:52 +0100, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
wrote:

>Rooney <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> There was a documentary about the Australian Outback a couple of weeks
>> ago. Everyone there drives Toyotas nowadays.
>
>Or Ford Falcon Utes.
>
>> Nuss said.
>
>Pah, there's a "D" between "F" and "S" y'know.

I had to look twice when it came out as 'nuss'. I'm stone cold sober,
honeft!


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i have a range rover and its crap i have driven land rovers toyotas , mazdas
and all are crap compared to the reliability, performance and comfort of a
mercedes g-wagon very cheap nowadays too but make sure its a petrol 280 ge
model although smaller engine than the range rover far more power and grunt
i found
"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1gxi3ne.1bv4hvy472jzhN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> MJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Pajero/Shogun
>> Isuzu trooper
>> Toyota Hilux Surf
>> Any other suggestions.
>>
>> Vehicle will get used infrequently so fuel economy is not top of list,
>> power and reliability is more of a requirement
>>
>> looking to spend in the region of 7K
>
> Given that lot, have a look at a Yank Tank. Anything from the list of
> Chevvy Blazer, Ford Explorer, Dodge Ram, Ford F150 should do. I chose
> the Fraud Exploder, cheap, reliable, 20-25 mpg and it can **** on a Golf
> GTi and cruise all day at 90 mph when not towing.
>
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

On 2005-06-01, Rooney <[email protected]> wrote:

> There was a documentary about the Australian Outback a couple of weeks
> ago. Everyone there drives Toyotas nowadays. Nuss said.

Depends on the area, which seems to be the biggest factor, dealer
support in the area.

A mate of mine spent 6 months in Kenya about 5 years ago, during his
time there he found that there were 2 4x4 camps, Toyota Landcruiser or
Landrover Discovery. The Toyota camp said the landies eat gearboxes,
the Landy camp said some people get headaches in the Toyotas caning it
across the bumpy roads down there. I didn't believe the headache part
but he said he had a splitting headache every time he hitched a ride
in a Toyota... Never had an explanation for that one! He himself
belongs to the landy-hating crowd like Steve Firth so I doubt he's
making it up about the toyota. Very odd!

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For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert

All the people I know that have Discos or Range Rovers
(farmers mostly) have found them to be reliable tow cars
when lugging plant trailers around. I'm now thinking of
getting one myself.

Tim

Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:

> the landy-hating crowd like Steve Firth

Hmm, an inaccurate portrayal of my opinion there. I don't hate Landies,
I've owned enough of them. However I don't have my head in the sand,
three years of Ford 4x4 ownership has cost me less than a single year of
Land Rover ownership. For a working vehicle, that difference is
significant.

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Ian Rawlings came up with the following;:

> He himself
> belongs to the landy-hating crowd like Steve Firth so I doubt he's
> making it up about the toyota. Very odd!

I don't think Steve hates Landies, he just prefers other vehicles ..

Personally I love 'em, and am probably a little blind to their foibles. But
it still has to be said that my current Disco is the most reliable vehicle
I've ever had (apart from an old Ford Escort many years ago) in terms of
cost of breakdowns, service parts and time spent off the road waiting for
spares or repairs, including ten years worth of brand-new dealer serviced
lease cars ...

Mind, we chose it carefully and I service it myself ... correctly ...

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Paul - xxx wrote:
> Ian Rawlings came up with the following;:
>
>> He himself
>> belongs to the landy-hating crowd like Steve Firth so I doubt he's
>> making it up about the toyota. Very odd!
>
>
> I don't think Steve hates Landies, he just prefers other vehicles ..
>
> Personally I love 'em, and am probably a little blind to their foibles.
> But it still has to be said that my current Disco is the most reliable
> vehicle I've ever had (apart from an old Ford Escort many years ago) in
> terms of cost of breakdowns, service parts and time spent off the road
> waiting for spares or repairs, including ten years worth of brand-new
> dealer serviced lease cars ...
>
> Mind, we chose it carefully and I service it myself ... correctly ...
>

LOL, your Disco isn't a patch on my Disco.

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On 2005-06-02, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

> Hmm, an inaccurate portrayal of my opinion there. I don't hate
> Landies, I've owned enough of them. However I don't have my head in
> the sand,

Sure but don't forget that while you've had hassles with Landies,
others certainly haven't, what I find amusing about your posts is that
you rip into landies at the earliest opportunity based on your own bad
experiences. I've owned my 110 for about 6 years now and the only
trouble I've ever had has been down to my own stupidity, driving like
an absolute idiot on off-road courses in my early days, or missing
service intervals while washing lubrication off by wading through
watery mud (that kills the UJs and blocks the rad).

It's been a brilliant, reliable car, which is more than can be said
for my last two Audis and my Lotus. The Audis and the Lotus have
never had to go through water up to my waist in the cab, bounce off
trees, rock crawl, tow each other around on large trailers etc. The
landy has had the toughest life of all my cars and it's the one that's
never complained and has cost me the least by far to maintain.
Service costs are higher than the Audi but you'd expect that, however
the landy has cost me less to run over a year because it's not broken
down, whereas the audi has.

In the Lotus's defence it's the oldest of the cars ('89) and has had 6
nasty owners, but the Audis have no excuse, they've been beaten by a
landy! And the landy doesn't even leak oil!

Yes landies have a bad reputation, but I think more than a fair old
chunk of that is down to people wanting to knock the big name in the
same way that people will batter on about how crap Ferrari are, any
name that sticks out in a field gets a kicking from people, often
without justification.

Having said that, I think the Range Rover was **** from the end of the
classic Range Rover range up until just before the current one, they
made them too complicated and skimped on cheap but vital items like
proper electrical connectors, so the gadgets stop working after a
while.

> three years of Ford 4x4 ownership has cost me less than a single
> year of Land Rover ownership. For a working vehicle, that difference
> is significant.

There's not many 4x4 brands that have proven themselves in the field
as well as Land Rover, it's why there's so many of them on our roads
today. Defenders are all over the place, with good reason.

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For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert

Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:

> Defenders are all over the place, with good reason.

When I did work in North Africa it's true they were all over the place,
in pieces with someone or other waiting for a spare to arrive... and
waiting... and waiting...

The Land Cruisers just ran and ran.


--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Steve Firth (%steve%@malloc.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

> The Land Cruisers just ran and ran.

French-spec?

Steve Firth wrote:
> Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Defenders are all over the place, with good reason.
>
> When I did work in North Africa it's true they were all over the
> place, in pieces with someone or other waiting for a spare to
> arrive... and waiting... and waiting...
>
> The Land Cruisers just ran and ran.

Agreed.

When I was in Saudi, there was only one Landy dealership. There were loads
of Landcruisers out there.. the Saudis thought Landy's were poop and I tend
to agree!
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