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Enthusiastman said:
Hi, Its a 2002 model Vogue SE in Red and only 74800 miles from new with a full main dealer and specialists service history. It has had 6 owners from new and 2 private plates assigned to her and always garaged. Last owner had her 11 years i am told and totally pampered the car. There is 44 pictures on the www and she looks stunning in all respects. She is pricey albeit there could be a deal to be done. Not rushing in to anything just yet either. Its a 4.6 V8 too.

Is the 12 months road tax band the same across the whole P38 range = £330 ?????
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Up to X plate, £270, Y plate on £330.
 
Enthusiastman said:
Cheers, been doing a lot of online checks on it late last night and i found an old advert for it from last year. It appears the last owner has passed away so it was being sold from a deceased estate for £4750 o.n.o and now the current dealer who obviously bought it and has done approx 1000 miles in it had it up for initially £11995 and now £9995 cheeky sod. He has done nothing to it as it was fully serviced just prior to the last owners demise albeit the M.O.T expired yesterday and looking at it she will need new boots all round.

Just goes to show how these selling dealers will try and make a big profit on cars these days. Its being greedy in my book.
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Another thing I've noticed some dealers doing is, putting their name over the reg, in the ad photos, so you can't do a MOT check online, info on there is useful if it's had major (expensive) fails in recent
years, at least you know those issues have fixed, also gives you some idea of how much use it's had in any given year, IMO not good for cars to be standing idle for months on end, different in a nice warm
dry garage though.
 
Enthusiastman said:
Agreed the Diesel is better all rounder too IMHOP albeit sadly it did not work for me this time. I will consider a 4.6 or even a 4.0 as ive heard the 4.0 are a more desirable option. Just going by what i have read. So on my Hawkeye scanner there are differing sections for differing engines, GEMS, etc. Would like to know which refers to which engine for future ref: and use of it so i know i am scanning in the right sections.

Its all early days at the moment. Just want to put closure to this current disaster and then i will start looking again. There is another TD up in Scotland which has been advertised for over a year now with 1 owner from new ( Dead now i think ) full main agent history and only 35k miles on the clock. It looks like brand new still and is 10k albeit too much again i think. Possibly not been used for a while too so as soon as you put it back into use i could get all the same problems i got with my Westminster and then i am back to square bloody one again and i aint going there again. Far too much stress and sleepless nights i have had these last 8 weeks and now it seems it coming to an end thank god.

The dealer i bought it off will indeed get the engine either rebuilt or replaced. I will be keeping a close eye out for it re-appearing for sale KW02AEB - 2002 - Westminster TD. Keep your eyes peeled for it guys as it will appear soon enough. I know every inch of that car now and its full history and its has THOUSANDS spent on it by previous owners and myself too so it will once again be a great car with a new engine and al the other new bits on it NOW.
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No, 4.0 litres are no better than a diesel.

Any of these cars are 20 years old now. All the rubbers will be going so radius arm bushes. Viscous coupling likely to be starting to seize. Airbags will need replacing. All of them will need a bit of work to get straight. None are worth £10k!
 
DarthDude said:
Wow...... that's really not bad at all!

By the time the lump is in and all hooked up, you'd be down over £2k out here..... but when mine died a couple years ago at 400k km (I suspect fake engine oil- it wasn't even consuming oil up to that point), it was worth my while dropping another one in.

@Enthusiastman , why didn't the economics work out for you? Was it labour charges?
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1. I would not have gone down a second hand used engine road buddy as you never can be sure what you are buying.
2. After we looked at the cost of a new engine and all the labour and no guarrantee it would work as there could have been another factor which caused it elsewhere we were looking at over £5000 which was NOT cost effective as i was already into the car for nearly £9000 so i abandoned the idea and it was the best move i made as the dealer who sold me the car has now agreed to take it back and refund me in full plus some compo which is a great result in the end for me and my sanity.
I will still be down monies on the road tax and insurance but i will get some of it back once cancellation fees are taken off albeit i have my eye on some others which could work for me.
 
aj1954 said:
Another thing I've noticed some dealers doing is, putting their name over the reg, in the ad photos, so you can't do a MOT check online, info on there is useful if it's had major (expensive) fails in recent
years, at least you know those issues have fixed, also gives you some idea of how much use it's had in any given year, IMO not good for cars to be standing idle for months on end, different in a nice warm
dry garage though.
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I just email them and ask for the reg number mate and if they don't give it tell em to bog off. Simples.
 
Grrrrrr said:
No, 4.0 litres are no better than a diesel.

Any of these cars are 20 years old now. All the rubbers will be going so radius arm bushes. Viscous coupling likely to be starting to seize. Airbags will need replacing. All of them will need a bit of work to get straight. None are worth £10k!
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Which is why they are all mostly UNSOLD buddy for ages and ages. Especially those Jap import ones.
 
Grrrrrr said:
That is great. He'll have a second hand lump in it in no time anyway.

If you want a future classic then I would go 4.6.

Ease of maintenance I still say diesel. Henry disagrees but head gaskets are a service item on the v8 and the crank seals. Diesel you're looking at FIP and possibly chains on high rollers. V8 is nicer to drive, end of. After that it is luck of the draw.

And @Henry_b the diesel might burn hotter but it has less cylinders and a lot more space around the engine. The v8 out the back definitely gers hotter under the bonnet than the diesel out the front (or the other diesel out the back).
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I agree with what you say there Grrrr ;)

Headgaskets can last 60k or 200k it is luck of the draw, as far as I know mine are original at 130k so i'm expecting to hear it either blow to the outside or into the water jacket, if you want an easy way of knowing whether its a coolant pressurisation issue from blowing in a water jacket or liner..

The only time you get Gasses in the cooling system from a HG is on cylinders 7-1-8-2 if you're getting steam cleaned plugs on cylinders 6-4-5-3 then you have a liner issue ;)

Cylinder liners i'd disagree with when i'm told they "go all the time" the simple thing is no, they do last if maintained, and they can sound and run very well even when neglected... :)

And if you want a future classic, get a RRC ;) the mid 80s ones that are still quite cheap by RRC standards ;)

I doubt the P38 will ever reach RRC money..
 
Henry_b said:
Your 630R would be worth far more than 10k, I've still got first dibs on that one though :D

"nudge nudge" :D
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I bloody hope so:D
Did you not see it’s not for sale?:)
Don’t worry when I get too old, you will still be in the running so you never know;):)
I actually don’t worry what it’s worth because it’s not for sale,and so few come up to actually gauge its value. We often get asked if the little 90 “mud ball” is for sale, so always say yes and then quote a stupid high price:) It back fired on M last year when somebody asked to buy her horse and she put a (what she thought) high price which was double what she paid, and the woman said yes:eek: opps Ms horseless at the moment.
I won’t fall into that trap:)

J
 
Enthusiastman said:
1. I would not have gone down a second hand used engine road buddy as you never can be sure what you are buying.
2. After we looked at the cost of a new engine and all the labour and no guarrantee it would work as there could have been another factor which caused it elsewhere we were looking at over £5000 which was NOT cost effective as i was already into the car for nearly £9000 so i abandoned the idea and it was the best move i made as the dealer who sold me the car has now agreed to take it back and refund me in full plus some compo which is a great result in the end for me and my sanity.
I will still be down monies on the road tax and insurance but i will get some of it back once cancellation fees are taken off albeit i have my eye on some others which could work for me.
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Glad it worked out (sort of) for you, and you're getting out largely unscathed. Find a nice one and enjoy it! When my engine died I had to choose between overhauling the engine (£8k equivalent), dropping a used one in there (as I say around £2k installed), or having a hulk I'd have had to part out and then pay to scrap. With no stigma attached to engine swaps out here and DSEs rare as hens teeth (only 40 were ever imported) and worth a minimum triple the 4.6 HSEs (overwhelmingly Gems) cars in this market, it was an easy decision to make and I'm glad that my new engine is running well. Those imported from Japan usually do somehow.

Different markets, I guess. Certainly, if I got a duff engine on a newly bought car, I'd have been on my own and all the dealer would have done is laugh.
 
DarthDude said:
Glad it worked out (sort of) for you, and you're getting out largely unscathed. Find a nice one and enjoy it! When my engine died I had to choose between overhauling the engine (£8k equivalent), dropping a used one in there (as I say around £2k installed), or having a hulk I'd have had to part out and then pay to scrap. With no stigma attached to engine swaps out here and DSEs rare as hens teeth (only 40 were ever imported) and worth a minimum triple the 4.6 HSEs (overwhelmingly Gems) cars in this market, it was an easy decision to make and I'm glad that my new engine is running well. Those imported from Japan usually do somehow.

Different markets, I guess. Certainly, if I got a duff engine on a newly bought car, I'd have been on my own and all the dealer would have done is laugh.
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Cheers buddy. I am nearly all there now with the dealer who sold it me in terms of all my monies refunded to me and then he can collect it and take it away and he will for sure repair it and again have a much better and more desirable Westminster 2002 TD model than he had before he sold it to me and it will still be worth a tidy sum one day in terms of its excellent condition, rare colour scheme/trim and history so i hope he either keeps it for a while and uses it or sells it again with a good new or fully refurbished engine in it.

As for me and my future with another P38 the search is on again and i have a few i like and am currently speaking with those dealers who are selling them. May the best dealer/offer win.
 
Enthusiastman said:
Cheers buddy. I am nearly all there now with the dealer who sold it me in terms of all my monies refunded to me and then he can collect it and take it away and he will for sure repair it and again have a much better and more desirable Westminster 2002 TD model than he had before he sold it to me and it will still be worth a tidy sum one day in terms of its excellent condition, rare colour scheme/trim and history so i hope he either keeps it for a while and uses it or sells it again with a good new or fully refurbished engine in it.

As for me and my future with another P38 the search is on again and i have a few i like and am currently speaking with those dealers who are selling them. May the best dealer/offer win.
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Did you ever work out why the piston hit the valve?
 
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