I found it hard to believe, that he wouldn't even have a go at winching Ryder, especially as we'd just pulled him out of a mud hole.Don't see why the 90 with the winch bailed and wouldn't get ryder out, all the kit on that motor and a perfect opportunity to use it as intended. All the gear and no .... (ill let you think of the rest). It really winds me up when people get the bling and never actually use it Rant Rant Rant! I never really get people that bolt on three or four hundred kilo winches and never use them surely they realise they their asthetically pleasing £1000 bolt on bling becomes a hinderance rarther than an aid if never actually used. I understand raised bumpers as they are handy. Ok Rant over! Ill post some bad quality pice as soon as I can log into my pics account. It come down to a decent set of tyres on a standard series III with no bling, and a camel-ish 90 with a cheapo winch! No bling! Jai