Beast o Bodmin
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are you running 100% veg hu?
Veggie oil - am I an idiot?
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hughesy
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Not at the moment but I have done in a 200tdi without any trouble at all. Can't find it cheap enough round here at the moment.
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Blew upThere used to be a guy on the forum by the name of Veggielandy. He blew his up on veg oil.
Anyone remember the problems with dodgy supermarket fuels a couple of years back? That was anti-foaming agents.:doh::doh::doh:
, In what sence did it blow up ratty? This siloxane (e900) does seem to keep cropping up around the wvo forums etc........... Regarding its combustion it would appear that it crystalises and grinds the **** out of valves/rings, but still no solid evidence around the tinterweb?
Is it or could it be a nasty conspiracy/rumor fueled (scuse pun) by petro chemical companys
Oh what to do, Theres no smoke without fire
theshanclan
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Good find! It doesn't give a source, but it is being pretty specific, so I will take that as evidence....bggr.
Now all I have to do is get rid of the rest of the 400 litres or so of used chip oil that I have left.
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Im gonna use the 200 ltrs i got first stop and find another source, Im thinking though that all bulk oil supplys will have this additive, so it may be down to a proper filtration setup? But having said that does the chemical process remove this or would it still be there????
Im off ta see me mate google..........
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Blew up
This siloxane (e900) does seem to keep cropping up around the wvo forums etc........... Regarding its combustion it would appear that it crystalises and grinds the **** out of valves/rings, but still no solid evidence around the tinterweb?
Is it or could it be a nasty conspiracy/rumor fueled (scuse pun) by petro chemical companys
Oh what to do, Theres no smoke without fire
here is the thread. I don't know if it was as a result of anti-foaming agents or not but looking at his profile he was on a couple of weeks or so ago so you could try pm'ing him
http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f8/vow2b-bio-diesel-fuel-heater-veg-oil-svo-wvo-exchanger-58212.html
Land Rover Zone - View Profile: VEGGIELANDEE
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Actually - wait a minute:
1) the supermarkets case was unleaded petrol where excessive silicone was present which bggrd up the oxygen sensors on certain cars. So not relevant here.
2) 5,000 hours @ 30mph is 150,000 miles. I am already on 120,000 so not too big an issue even if it is true.
3) Silicones (of which DMPS is one) are actually used in diesel as anti-foaming additives. I can't find anywhere which specific ones are used but there are various references to this including Wiki: Gasoline additive - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I am going back to my idiot ways......
Beast o Bodmin
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Personall ive had no trouble with older engines useing all sorts of oil without addetives.Fair enough the 2 1/4 is robust but the 200 will take heating oil ,diesel, veg , sump all mixed with a bit of petrol/white spirit and pretty much runs fine.
Ive yet to try 100% peanut oil......
I thought about trying to sweat cypress trees for oil......
MONEY IN TREES
Ive yet to try 100% peanut oil......
I thought about trying to sweat cypress trees for oil......
MONEY IN TREES
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ratty
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Yes it was petrol cars that had their sensors gunged up. Now remind me again about the gunge that you guys experienced on the outside of your vehicles? Then think of the smoke and juddering.
That is enough evidence to me (circumstantial or not) that there is a good chance that this stuff might not be too good for my engine.
I am not the one running on it. All I can do is to point out the facts.
Like you say the decision to put it in your engine or not is up to you.
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I used to run my Estima on SVO and pretty much anything else runny I could get... even the engine change oil went in there..
when the head went on a mate's same car we had a chance to look at what was going on.. all the turbo pipes and intake etc were thick with the same gunk that goes on the outside but the block and the head weren't affected as far as the eye can tell.. he still runs is on WVO or SVO if it's a good price and it's still going strong. I have nother frind who runs his on runny stuff and has done for over 60 thousand miles.. with absolutely no adverse affects (apart from a sticky back door)
when the head went on a mate's same car we had a chance to look at what was going on.. all the turbo pipes and intake etc were thick with the same gunk that goes on the outside but the block and the head weren't affected as far as the eye can tell.. he still runs is on WVO or SVO if it's a good price and it's still going strong. I have nother frind who runs his on runny stuff and has done for over 60 thousand miles.. with absolutely no adverse affects (apart from a sticky back door)
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Thanks Ratty keep it coming. All these things do worry me - the gunge because it could get past the rings which would be trouble (and if it is juddery and smokey when cold there is unburnt vegoil swilling around) - the additives because who knows what they could do. It is 100% my decision, so no worries there.
If it does all go sh1t shaped I will come back on here and let people know what happened.
I've now seen 2 vehicles that have shown some slight evidence of build up of a gummy gooey substance within the engine, both vehicles were being used for numerous very short trips during which it is very unlikely that the engine will have been fully warmed up - I've seen 100s of vehicles that have no sign of any build up, all of which have been running on SVO or other DIY fuels (up to 100% in my and a few other cases)
as with all vehicles they'll benefit from a good blast up the motorway every now and again, this not only helps keep your exhaust dry internally (so it doesn't mysteriously fall off one fine day) it will also help break down and clear out the crap that using SVO will release from engine component's as it is a very good cleansing agent (when at a high temp)
as with all vehicles they'll benefit from a good blast up the motorway every now and again, this not only helps keep your exhaust dry internally (so it doesn't mysteriously fall off one fine day) it will also help break down and clear out the crap that using SVO will release from engine component's as it is a very good cleansing agent (when at a high temp)
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Don't get me wrong. I have run on veg oil with absolutely no probs. I would run on veg oil again with no qualms. In fact if diesel suddenly dried up overnight I would rather stick 100% rapeseed oil thinned with petrol in my TD5 than biodiesel. (I know fuel manufacturers are meant to produce to British standards but I know for a fact that they don't).
I've been to breakdowns at supermarket petrol stations and found that the petrol being dispensed from the pumps won't even ignite.
Another supermarket was ordered as off limits to military vehicles by higher command due to the number of breakdowns caused by their fuel.
I am simply saying that I won't risk putting fuel that I think may be dodgy into my engine.
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I have to say the navy boys give tesco a W I D E berth and so do I.**** fuel is bad and as said we can do better at home for less
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Once when I filled up at Sainsburys it was like filling up with beer and having the head constantly coming up the nozzle - to the point where I couldn't fill up because the pump kept cutting out. I guess they had forgotten anti-foaming agents.
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have you tried adding TFR.
It does work,stops the grease buildup in the air bubbles so the air molucules can rise without being coated in oil therfore no "bubbles".Its not anti foam ya need its de_greaser.Diesel is like that.
It does work,stops the grease buildup in the air bubbles so the air molucules can rise without being coated in oil therfore no "bubbles".Its not anti foam ya need its de_greaser.Diesel is like that.
ratty
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Knowing the effect of TFR on my hands I would be very reluctant to put it in my engine.
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I just got a source of free wvo....from a doughnut manufacturer...so ideal vehicle would be an American police car I suppose! However I have a 1994 300Tdi and I'm going to have a shot at running 50/50 wvo and doozel or perhaps even 60/40 if I'm feeling brave...I rely on the Landy for getting to work and servicing the 'hayburners'.
The Disco has already done 204,000 and my only worry is that she'll gum her rings (Guinness does that to me).
The Disco has already done 204,000 and my only worry is that she'll gum her rings (Guinness does that to me).
