VCU ponderings of a tinkering minkerton

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WLJayne

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Hi all,

Having armed myself with a set of lovely new tyres recently, this weekend I set aside two whole days to work on my hippo. One of the first jobs I did first was to re-attach the prop and do a torque test. I jacked one of my wheels up, and DD jacked up one of his, he has a brand new Bell recon VCU. We used a breaker bar and a big socket on the central hull nut. Mine felt a bit tighter, but still moved freely, which was a relief. We didn't do any scientific measurements but we will at some stage.

So I left the prop on and got on with other work. But on the drive back and during subsequent journeys, I have noticed big differences in the way the car drives since giving it back it's 4x4 capability.

The largest difference is that the car seems to be getting its power down far easier, with smoother accelarations out of junctions and better throttle response. Which leads me to speculate that the torque split isn't what people think it is. I'm starting to think that the back wheels don't simple "do nothing and follow the car," rather, they always have some power going to them (I don't know how much) and the VCU simply regulates that distribution automatically. Rather than being either open or closed I think that there are many shades inbetween depending on what conditions you are driving in. But having felt the difference I strongly reject the notion that the system is crude and useless. Unlike a Haldex unit, which is either engaged or not (I think) this thing feels to me like it is varying the torque split all the time, and the different gear ratio in the rear diff just takes away any lag that would be there so that the 4x4 system can be even more responsive.

Anyway, I'm never going to put it in mondo mode ever again, it was ****e as a 2wd.

Thoughts?

Will.
 
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Your description of how the drive train works is my understanding of it too. I find the VCU works a treat - it ain't let me down yet.

I am addicted to Alpine Passes - the more hairpins the better - often there is water or ice right at or just before/after the bend.

A combination of Traction Control and/or VCU means I never lose power on the hairiest of bends.

Jeremy Clarkson wannabees and the tratter boys may laugh but the Freelander can be persuaded to power-slide on sharp, steep hairpins.

It even works on the auto-box too - but it needs to be in Stepronic 2nd or 1st and just keep the power on. If you're in normal auto drive mode then the box will try changing when it feels the sudden extra load just as you hit the apex of the turn.

To me the FL1 is reminiscent of the old early Audi Quattros of circa 1980 or 81. Back in those days I was rallying a Mk1 Escort Mexico which needed a lot of opposite lock to get round tight corners quickly.

I wish I had had my Freelander then - in fact I wish I'd had my M-Benz Sprinter with a limited-slip diff then!

Ah well - that's enough nostalgia for today - I must learn to live in the present - it's fun too.

Singvogel. :cool:
 
Hi all,

Having armed myself with a set of lovely new tyres recently, this weekend I set aside two whole days to work on my hippo. One of the first jobs I did first was to re-attach the prop and do a torque test. I jacked one of my wheels up, and DD jacked up one of his, he has a brand new Bell recon VCU. We used a breaker bar and a big socket on the central hull nut. Mine felt a bit tighter, but still moved freely, which was a relief. We didn't do any scientific measurements but we will at some stage.

So I left the prop on and got on with other work. But on the drive back and during subsequent journeys, I have noticed big differences in the way the car drives since giving it back it's 4x4 capability.

The largest difference is that the car seems to be getting its power down far easier, with smoother accelarations out of junctions and better throttle response. Which leads me to speculate that the torque split isn't what people think it is. I'm starting to think that the back wheels don't simple "do nothing and follow the car," rather, they always have some power going to them (I don't know how much) and the VCU simply regulates that distribution automatically. Rather than being either open or closed I think that there are many shades inbetween depending on what conditions you are driving in. But having felt the difference I strongly reject the notion that the system is crude and useless. Unlike a Haldex unit, which is either engaged or not (I think) this thing feels to me like it is varying the torque split all the time, and the different gear ratio in the rear diff just takes away any lag that would be there so that the 4x4 system can be even more responsive.

Anyway, I'm never going to put it in mondo mode ever again, it was ****e as a 2wd.

Thoughts?

Will.

Na, it is pretty crude but not useless. That slight dragging (for thats what it is) you get is same on all vcu type permanent 4 wheel drives. Now problem is for me (maybe you 2) is only really want 4x4 when we need it. The Haldex set up delivers exactly this. Our Tiguan has it and you just dont know its there untill its needed - by way its a souless thing ant I prefer my FL1, which drives like a normal car in Mondo but no 4 wheel drive. Haldex just works.
 
… Which leads me to speculate that the torque split isn't what people think it is. I'm starting to think that the back wheels don't simple "do nothing and follow the car," …
After messing with my vcu I came to the same conclusion. Hence me buying comment about not knowing the split ratio of power:

“Now in practise it’s often said that Freelanders are 60% front, 95% front or some other figure that we dun’t have proof of which describes the ratio of drive to the front/rear wheels under normal conditions. Somewhere there’s an equilibrium value of ratio split, but we don’t know for sure what it is. Hence me suspicions over the figures.”

The One Wheel Up Test shows just how much resistance the vcu gives across itself. When you think of the power an engine can give out v the resistance from the wheels at the rear turning at a different speed to the front wheels, you realise there’s a lot more to it than we think we know. I’ve waited for my vcu to cool down whilst a 0 degrees ambient. I was parked on snow/grass. I filmed pulling away with wheel spin with the traction control off for the first bit and it’s surprising just how quick the rear wheels start to turn. That makes me think the activation time of the vcu is cleverly balanced for on and oft road use.
 
I've read Hippo's comments before, and indeed the VCU stuff in the FAQ, I'm saying that I support those assertions based on new evidence :).

Int nothing new here, but it's nice to see theory in practice:).
 
I've read Hippo's comments before, and indeed the VCU stuff in the FAQ, I'm saying that I support those assertions based on new evidence :).

Int nothing new here, but it's nice to see theory in practice:).

One of the main issue with the VCU technology, as highlighted by this and other threads is that nobody really knows what its operating perimeters are. When does it cut in / out, how much drive front to back. It is this inherent lack of sophistication that has consigned it to motoring history - how can we have a conversation comparing experience when say my VCU is used and yours is recon and the next is brand new OE. More modern systems remove most of this speculation. My experience of VCU drive is that it will engage and get you out of trouble but without the finesse of modern systems, which work better both on and off tarmac. I say this as someone who hates stuff like parking sensors and electric handbrakes, just more to go wrong, but credit where it is due. Just my take.
 
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anyone got a 4wd Dyno?
 
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