UK - Cape Town Summer 2010

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Hey all! :cool:
Jackbw, and myself are getting a trip organised for next year, summer 2010, starting in the UK somewhere and heading down to Cape Town. So far we are planning on 2 cars, but open to other participants who don't mind a flexible itinerary. So far the itinerary has been posted on one of my sites here:

London - Cape Town 2010

I have some notes there as well which are just for myself...

If anyone is interested in joining up let us know on this Thread!

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Jonathan
 
Any room for a sexy Land Rover (A 90 :)) Seriously I'd love to come, but by business is flopping around a bit in the recession, and I'm not sure if the funds will be available.

But if my upcoming round of industrial espionage pays off, who knows :p

Will follow your progress with interest though...

P.S. there is a typo in your intro
comprised of two Land Rover 300 Defender 100 TDi,
 
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Mmm,
Might be a little later than I have plans for, but hey, flexibility is good.
I was initially planning for a departure from Warrington from January 2010 to about March 2010.

I don't suppose it really matters what vehicle people have as long as it is reliable and self sufficient.
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'vette
 
well,
if you want to move it ahead, we r planning June... I think...

Unless you can convince us that January is "the time to go"!
:)

J
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Hi,
Mid January is a personal thing, but it also fits in well with the seasons.
leaving the cold North Europe behind, the weather getting warmer all the way, also avoids equatorial regions in May, June, July, and August, which will be the hottest.
Travelling down to Cape Town arriving 12 - 15 weeks later, at the tail of their summer, April time, but not winter.

Still very pleasant.

'vette
 
I don't suppose it really matters what vehicle people have as long as it is reliable and self sufficient.

Well I hate to throw a spanner in the works, and suggest that you really need a Land Rover...

But I will anyway :)

What's the Book on that Shiny slitty ?? 10K ??

So for the CARNET

10K x 800% = £80 000 10% of that is 8K (which you need to find) and you only get back 4k, and that's just to drive through Egypt.. Each other country you go through will cost you some more, less than Egypt (granted), but still more money...

Here is the maths with my trusty landy

Book = 1.5K

1.5K X 800% = 12k 10% of that is £1200 which I have to find, and I get back £600.

This is assuming my knowledge of CARNET is correct, and that's not really guaranteed..
 
So for the CARNET

10K x 800% = £80 000 10% of that is 8K (which you need to find) and you only get back 4k, and that's just to drive through Egypt.. Each other country you go through will cost you some more, less than Egypt (granted), but still more money...

It is a good point... But if the cost of the carnet is not a problem, then...

it [does not] really matters what vehicle people have as long as it is reliable and self sufficient.

'vette

I would think that an advantage of having all the same make (landys let's say) would be to share expertise for repairs, and spare parts, which is a not-so-small consideration...


Jonathan
 
Well I hate to throw a spanner in the works, and suggest that you really need a Land Rover...

But I will anyway :)

What's the Book on that Shiny slitty ?? 10K ??

So for the CARNET

10K x 800% = £80 000 10% of that is 8K (which you need to find) and you only get back 4k, and that's just to drive through Egypt.. Each other country you go through will cost you some more, less than Egypt (granted), but still more money...

Here is the maths with my trusty landy

Book = 1.5K

1.5K X 800% = 12k 10% of that is £1200 which I have to find, and I get back £600.

This is assuming my knowledge of CARNET is correct, and that's not really guaranteed..
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Almost correct,

Speak to Paul Gowan at RAC, who issue the Carnet.

He explains it differently.

Stipulate to Paul all the countries you plan on driving through.
Determine the highest, which is usually Egypt,
Look for 'bottom book' price, less some, as you have removed the seats,
Say £5k
5x800 = 40k
40k + 25 + 60 = 40085 (depending on how many page carnet you want)

Buy insurance policy to cover the £40k

Insurance policy is 10 % of sum insured
10 % of £40k = £4k
Return of £2k upon discharge of signed and stamped carnet

Overall cost for mugs travelling through Egypt = £2085

Plus the Aswan to Wadi Halfra ferry, budget on $300 - $400 for Blue Nile River Co

Consider route, through Turkey, Istanbul, Syria, Jordan, Saudi, ferry from Jedah to Suakin, (just south of Port Sudan), Khartoum, etc south.

''there is mention of a single deposit for vehicles entering Egypt, fully refundable on exit, less small admin. cost'
As I said, just mention and rumour at the moment''


'vette
 
Okay so you have done your homework :D

so to confirm you only pay for the most expensive country you are driving through??
 
Okay so you have done your homework :D

so to confirm you only pay for the most expensive country you are driving through??
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Yes,

just for most expensive,

Here is the reply I got from Paul,

My post, 7th one down, (uk_vette)

Peters post next one down +1 gives more figures and costs.

London To Cape Town - Page 2 - The HUBB


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For the purposes of vehicle temporary importation into the region, South Africa, Botswana, Namibia, Lesotho & Swaziland comprises the Southern Africa Customs Union (SACU) also known as the Southern Africa Common Customs Area (SACCA)

CARNET DE PASSAGES EN DOUANES - INTRODUCTION


A Carnet de Passages en Douanes (CPD) (hereafter referred to as a “carnet”) is an internationally recognised Customs document entitling the holder to TEMPORARILY import a vehicle duty-free into Southern Africa for up to 12 months. The carnet guarantees payment of duty & taxes if the vehicle is not re-exported.

Infringement of the temporary importation regulations will result in the lodging of a customs claim by the South African Revenue Service (SARS) to the Automobile Association of South Africa (AASA). The AASA act as guarantor to SARS for payment of duty & taxes if a vehicle fails to be re-exported from South Africa before expiry of the carnet. The claim is passed back to the carnet issuing motoring club (i.e. RAC) to resolve. A period of twelve months is then allowed from the claim date for RAC to submit evidence of export or permanent import into the country, after which the claim must be settled.

To minimise the risk of claims and ensure prompt return or cancellation of the security, we would ask that you read these notes carefully to understand your responsibility & liability as carnet holder.

RAC incurs a handling fee on all South African customs claims. Although this cost is not currently passed onto the carnet holder, the situation is under review.

In an effort to reduce temporary importation abuse, SARS do not grant extensions of validity of a carnet on expiry after 12 months. However, depending on the circumstances SARS may authorise a carnet replacement, known as a “substitution”.


Very Important – if the vehicle will be in Southern Africa on expiry of your Carnet, please see the Substitution paragraph on the reverse of this sheet.


The following general information on temporary importation into South Africa has been supplied by the AASA :

1. Only one vehicle per person may be temporarily imported into South Africa on a CPD.
2. CPDs may not be issued to applicants who intend to leave RSA for periods in excess of 30 days at a time whilst the vehicle remains in RSA under cover of a CPD.
3. CPDs can only be issued to foreign visitors or intending settlers who at the time of arrival in RSA have not yet been granted permanent residence & persons who arrive in RSA to take up employment for a period not exceeding 12 months.

4. Temporary importation is in principle limited to one year.
5. CPDs for vehicles which have entered South Africa may under no circumstances be extended, however, subject to approval from SARS, vehicles may under special circumstances be allowed to remain in RSA for a further year under a replacement CPD. (see Substitution procedure below)
6. A temporarily imported vehicle must not be sold, lent or otherwise disposed of in Southern Africa
7. The above conditions apply throughout the SACU/SACCA region.


USE OF A CARNET WITHIN SOUTHERN AFRICA


On arrival the carnet must be presented to customs for clearance (see Conditions of Use on inside back cover of the carnet). The carnet holder must ensure temporary importation regulations are adhered to, particularly when crossing into neighbouring non – SACU countries, e.g. Mozambique, Zambia & Zimbabwe. The carnet should be presented for stamping on every exit from Southern Africa.

On exit from the region, the carnet must be stamped at one of the following land frontiers, seaports or airports below.

Continued…/

Customs clearance of carnets can only be validated at customs offices at the following exit points:

Land Borders :

COUNTRY
EXIT POINT
ANGOLA
Oshikango in Nambia
ZAMBIA
Wenela in Namibia
Kazungula Ferry in Botswana

ZIMBABWE
Ramokwebana in Botswana
BeitBridge in South Africa

MOZAMBIQUE

Komatipoort/Lebombo in South Africa
NOTE :
Border posts between South Africa, Botswana, Lesotho, Namibia & Swaziland are not valid exit points for the discharge of carnets. For clearance by road, the vehicle must be exported from the SACU into Angola, Zambia, Zimbabwe or Mozambique at one of the above border crossings ONLY.
Alternative crossing points are not acceptable for clearance of carnet claims by SARS.


Seaports :
Walvis Bay (Namibia), Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, East London, Durban, Richards Bay
Airports :
International Airports : Johannesburg, Durban and Cape Town


SUBSTITUTION PROCEDURE

Approval to keep a temporarily imported vehicle in Southern Africa for more than 1 year must be obtained from SARS. Only one replacement or “Substitution” carnet will be granted. Foreign vehicles may never remain in Southern Africa for more than a total of two years on a carnet.

If you are in Southern Africa & wish to prolong your stay, in the first instance, contact AASA Customs Administration in Johannesburg, approximately 1 month before carnet expiry - tel. (11) 799 1009. AASA will supply a substitution form & advise of their fee. RAC Carnet dept. should also be informed at the same time. AASA will submit an application to SARS & seek confirmation from RAC as issuing club that a security is in place (bank guarantee, insurance indemnity, cash deposit). Once approved, the carnet holder must contact RAC to arrange carnet & courier fee. If security is arranged via RAC insurers, a further premium will be collected at this time. On receipt of fees, RAC will send the new carnet to AASA via DHL courier as both old & new carnets must be regularised with SARS for transfer of validity as part of the procedure. The new carnet will then be forwarded to the carnet holder & the old carnet returned to RAC for cancellation.

Substitutions cannot be effected internally by presenting documents to Customs in for example, Namibia.


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RAC Contact: Paul Gowen ([email protected])

A carnet must be returned to RAC within 3 months of the expiry date depending on circumstances. Unless prior contact & arrangements made with RAC we reserve the right to withhold release of a bank guarantee or refund of monies if the carnet holder fails to comply with the temporary importation regulations & procedures described in this leaflet.


Prepared by RAC Carnets, RAC Motoring Services, Great Park Road, Bradley Stoke, Bristol, BS32 4QN. Tel. 01454 208304








RAC/INF/CARNET/May 2007


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'vette:D:D:D
 
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vette,

have you looked into shipping costs for a container out of cape town? just curious as I am loosly planning a west coast trip hopefully for 2011 or 2012. I didnt realise you could cover it in 3 months either. I was going to take my time and go for 10-12 months. The west coast route also means a cheaper carnet (200%). Just trying to put costings together to see if its viable.

G
 
vette,

have you looked into shipping costs for a container out of cape town? just curious as I am loosly planning a west coast trip hopefully for 2011 or 2012. I didnt realise you could cover it in 3 months either. I was going to take my time and go for 10-12 months. The west coast route also means a cheaper carnet (200%). Just trying to put costings together to see if its viable.

G
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Hi Griff,
This will be a 'one way trip' for me and the wife.
I would love to take perhaps 6 months doing the trip, but it probably be 3,5 months at the longest.
Work stuff just gets in the way :D
We are planning that we will move back to Cape Town, therby, shipping all the furniture down, her car also, and the pair of us will drive the LC there.

If you want, then give Johnny a call at 'Advance transport' in Cape Town.
Advance Transport > About Us ( DNN 3.2.2 )
Advance are linked to
South African Removals
sub page
Car Shipping to South Africa - South African Removals


'vette
 
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