Trail(er) trash

Just gotta love a good cross-posting troll!

The thing we need to take away from this is that the "R. Lander's" of
the world already have their minds made up. We need to ignore them
and concentrate on educating Joe Public of responsible off-road use
and the positive things that organized OHV groups do.

Sadly, we do have losers among us, but we can't let the actions of a
few ruin it for the rest of us.

Matt
99 V-10 Super Duty, Super Cab 4x4
Blue Ribbon Coalition member (www.sharetrails.org)
United Four Wheel Drive Associations member (www.ufwda.org)
......and multiple snowmobile organizations.....



On 1 Jun 2006 08:28:17 -0700, "R. Lander" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
>all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
>Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
>view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
>it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>
>People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
>sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
>Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
>to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
>It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>
>It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
>environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
>protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
>Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
>impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
>the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
>to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>
>In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
>more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
>places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
>trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>
>R. Lander

Oh there will be plenty of need, 2008 is coming and no doubt the
Democrats will come up with another nutcase lefty to run, someone I can
use that quote against. I just hope to God the Republicans come up with
someone good to run against him (or her).

Jeff DeWitt

Mary Malmros wrote:
> Jeff DeWitt <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>>Oh yes, that's one of the reasons I'm filing it away, should come in
>>useful around election time in a couple of years.
>
>
> No need, son; George W. Bush has had his two terms and can't run for a
> third.

"Jerry Bransford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%mHfg.1322$sP1.50@fed1read07...
> I'm no farmer but even if I was, I'd be VERY ****ed if
> offroaders were screwing up my plowed fields that I use to earn
> my living with. But as an active offroader, I wheel with and
> know no one that would do such a thing. Although ANY sport has
> its jerks, offroaders today are very respectful of private
> property and other areas that are off-limits to offroading.
> "Tread Lightly" is taken very seriously by most offroaders.
> Those that don't are like jerks anywhere... they do what they
> please without regards to others.
>
> And Rick, I can't believe you'd call a farmer a "pussy" because
> he got ****ed over offroaders who screwed up his cultivated
> fields.
===================================
Can't read for comprehension, eh? Try again, i said just the
opposite. I said "..no farmer I know would be such a pussy about
people driving through their bean fields.." That comment was
directed at the poster that claimed he did nothing but 'ask'
people to leave his fields. The same people numerous times.


I'd bet
> big money if someone came onto any of your property that was
> cultivated and screwed it up that you'd scream bloody murder.
==========================
Exactly what I was saying. Do try to keep up...


>
> rick wrote:
>> "C. E. White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
>>
>>>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
>>>wheeling." I run a
>>>small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my
>>>fields are
>>>just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around
>>>in my field
>>>cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then ride
>>>around in
>>>unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
>>>leave only to
>>>catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
>>>(very small)
>>>percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike
>>>the category as
>>>a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private
>>>property, I
>>>can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
>>>
>>>Ed
>>
>> ==========================
>> Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call
>> it a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such
>> a pussy about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
>> don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field
>> instead of just bean field)
>> Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage
>> crops around here, you're going to pay for them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

The "good" candidates all refuse to run any more IMHO. Who in their
right mind wants to be attacked and have all their opinions, viewss and
thoughts spun by the opposition who have nothing more than character
assassination on their mind?

Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> Oh there will be plenty of need, 2008 is coming and no doubt the
> Democrats will come up with another nutcase lefty to run, someone I can
> use that quote against. I just hope to God the Republicans come up with
> someone good to run against him (or her).
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Mary Malmros wrote:
>
>> Jeff DeWitt <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> Oh yes, that's one of the reasons I'm filing it away, should come in
>>> useful around election time in a couple of years.
>>
>>
>>
>> No need, son; George W. Bush has had his two terms and can't run for a
>> third.

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

My reading for comprehension is just fine. I now understand what you
meant to say but it wasn't exactly written in a way that could not be
misinterpreted.

rick wrote:
> "Jerry Bransford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:%mHfg.1322$sP1.50@fed1read07...
>
>>I'm no farmer but even if I was, I'd be VERY ****ed if
>>offroaders were screwing up my plowed fields that I use to earn
>>my living with. But as an active offroader, I wheel with and
>>know no one that would do such a thing. Although ANY sport has
>>its jerks, offroaders today are very respectful of private
>>property and other areas that are off-limits to offroading.
>>"Tread Lightly" is taken very seriously by most offroaders.
>>Those that don't are like jerks anywhere... they do what they
>>please without regards to others.
>>
>>And Rick, I can't believe you'd call a farmer a "pussy" because
>>he got ****ed over offroaders who screwed up his cultivated
>>fields.
>
> ===================================
> Can't read for comprehension, eh? Try again, i said just the
> opposite. I said "..no farmer I know would be such a pussy about
> people driving through their bean fields.." That comment was
> directed at the poster that claimed he did nothing but 'ask'
> people to leave his fields. The same people numerous times.
>
>
> I'd bet
>
>>big money if someone came onto any of your property that was
>>cultivated and screwed it up that you'd scream bloody murder.
>
> ==========================
> Exactly what I was saying. Do try to keep up...
>
>
>
>>rick wrote:
>>
>>>"C. E. White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
>>>>wheeling." I run a
>>>>small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my
>>>>fields are
>>>>just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around
>>>>in my field
>>>>cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then ride
>>>>around in
>>>>unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
>>>>leave only to
>>>>catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
>>>>(very small)
>>>>percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike
>>>>the category as
>>>>a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private
>>>>property, I
>>>>can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>
>>>==========================
>>>Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call
>>>it a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such
>>>a pussy about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
>>>don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field
>>>instead of just bean field)
>>>Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage
>>>crops around here, you're going to pay for them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

I love hypocritical egregious extremist people, they often have a narrow
view. This is evident in lumping one particular group of people into a
single category and all of them being offenders and not caring what ever the
cause may be also, always touting the sky is falling.

There is the 80/20 rule which has been proven and measured. 80% of the
people are good and do the right thing 20% of the people are dirt bags.

Maybe you should target the 20% and include yourself in the 20% for your
narrow minded lumping of all people in a particular group.

I always laugh at the extremist what ever the cause it is better than the
Last Comic show TV and it is free entertainment.

Coasty
Coasty




"R. Lander" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>
> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
> to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>
> It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
> environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
> protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
> Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
> impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
> the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
> to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>
> In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
> more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
> places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
> trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>
> R. Lander
>

Will the son of a bitch who managed to drive their Jeep up Everest
and leave behind all manner of ****, please stand up.

Dave Milne, Scotland

"Mike" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> What utter bull**** !!! What makes you think any one group is any more
> responsible for leaving trash on the trails ? Where I hike I see the same
> trash on the trails and these are hiking trails only. It's not unusual to
> hike in 6-8 miles and find beer bottles and cans, candy wrappers, plastic
> bottles, empty propane cylinders and anything else you can imagine. I
just
> can't figure out how someone can manage to hike in with a case of beer but
> can't carry the empties out. Some people are just slobs, the method of
> transportation does not matter. It is a few bad apples that ruin things
for
> everyone else.

R. Lander wrote:
> I replied to your Limbaugh-script comments using my original subject
> header, not your altered one.
>
> You forget that the Nazis....

Ding Ding Ding. Gowdin's law is hereby invoked. You Loose. Now go away.

--
jeff

Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> The Nazi's were the "National Socialist German Workers Party", which is
> hardly far right!

Wrongo-bongo. Government and industry in close partnership is very
right wing...

Dan

Mt Everest trash collection:

http://www.mounteverest.net/news.php?id=7926


"Dave Milne" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Will the son of a bitch who managed to drive their Jeep up Everest
> and leave behind all manner of ****, please stand up.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
> "Mike" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> What utter bull**** !!! What makes you think any one group is any
>> more
>> responsible for leaving trash on the trails ? Where I hike I see the same
>> trash on the trails and these are hiking trails only. It's not unusual to
>> hike in 6-8 miles and find beer bottles and cans, candy wrappers, plastic
>> bottles, empty propane cylinders and anything else you can imagine. I
> just
>> can't figure out how someone can manage to hike in with a case of beer
>> but
>> can't carry the empties out. Some people are just slobs, the method of
>> transportation does not matter. It is a few bad apples that ruin things
> for
>> everyone else.
>
>

You think that as many as 20% are the troublemakers?


"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I love hypocritical egregious extremist people, they often have a narrow
>view. This is evident in lumping one particular group of people into a
>single category and all of them being offenders and not caring what ever
>the cause may be also, always touting the sky is falling.
>
> There is the 80/20 rule which has been proven and measured. 80% of the
> people are good and do the right thing 20% of the people are dirt bags.
>
> Maybe you should target the 20% and include yourself in the 20% for your
> narrow minded lumping of all people in a particular group.
>
> I always laugh at the extremist what ever the cause it is better than the
> Last Comic show TV and it is free entertainment.
>
> Coasty
> Coasty
>
>
>
>
> "R. Lander" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
>> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
>> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
>> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
>> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>>
>> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
>> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
>> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
>> to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
>> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>>
>> It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
>> environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
>> protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
>> Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
>> impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
>> the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
>> to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>>
>> In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
>> more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
>> places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
>> trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>>
>> R. Lander
>>
>
>

"billy ray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.
>
> Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
> same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
> other than politely ask them to leave.
>
> I grew up in a village surrounded by family farms and I never heard on any
> that would tolerate this. At the very least the damage would be
compensated
> and most likely the sheriff would not look kindly upon this.
>
> Methinks you are a troll or eco-weenie or have some other mental
> infirmary...... that or you are just a lying sack of dog doo...

Believe what you will, it happens all the time. Usually I only see the
results (tracks cut in paths and fields), but occasionally one of the
geniuses gets stuck. I've found trucks buried up to the axles, laying on the
sides in the ditches, sitting across ditches, or just not running. I've
tried asking the Sheriff for help - what a joke! I did have one four wheeler
ask me if it was Ok to ride around a field in the winter. I said no! Then
caught him down the road doing it anyhow. His excuse was that he did not
realize it was my field (I wonder who's field he thought it was?). He left
and I have not seen him since. I did not catch the guy who rode around in my
Soybean field. In that case I would have asked for damages. Some of my
fields are isolated (not on a main road and surrounded by trees) and this
makes them very attractive to four wheelers. They never ride around in plain
sight of a house We also have a logging path into our woodlands. I routinely
catch people down that path and ask them to leave. I don't want to put up a
gate, because that makes it hard for me and adds a potential liability issue
(one local farmer was sued when a kid on small four wheeler killed himself
by running into a chain on a path). To be fair to "four wheelers" they are
only third on my list of people who **** me off because they trespass on my
property -

1) People who discard trash - I've had a whole broken up out-house dumped on
my property. Old tires show up regularly. Bags of trash are common - despite
the presence of a county trash dump less than 2 miles away. I've gone
through the trash in the past and given the sheriff names. I was told they
couldn't "prove" the person dumped the trash just because their name was on
a letter in the trash. These days I do my best to identify the owner of the
trash and call them directly. Works about 50% of the time. And of course
there are just the low life people who treat roads as garbage cans. I find
lots of fast food wrappers, drink cups, and beer bottles liberally sprinkled
on the sides of the county roads through my property. Once someone dumped a
dishwasher off in the middle of a county road through my proerty. The state
motor grader operator came along and used his machine to shove it into my
woods. I raised hell about that, but the state did nothing. I finally hauled
it off myself. I've hauled off refrigerators and stoves that were dumped as
well. And these item can be taken to the county dump site less than 2 miles
away!

2) Hunters - We basically give anyone in the area who wants to hunt
permission to hunt as long as they promise to stay off the paths and not use
a rifle (shotguns and bows only). Most hunters follow these simple rules,
but there are always a few who use rifles and who can't resist driving down
my paths in wet weather (which tears them up). I've also had to chase off a
few people who think hunting involves target practice on trees. It is only a
matter of time until I put up no hunting signs. I hate to do it. My Father
was an avid hunter and he always wanted to allow other hunters the same
opportunities he had. However, there is less and less open land and more and
more hunters.And increasingly, the hunters aren't neighbors, they are coming
in from urban areas. Just like many of the four wheelers.

3) Four wheelers - already covered.

Ed

"rick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "C. E. White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
> >I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
> >wheeling." I run a
> > small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my
> > fields are
> > just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around
> > in my field
> > cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then ride
> > around in
> > unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
> > leave only to
> > catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
> > (very small)
> > percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the
> > category as
> > a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private
> > property, I
> > can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
> >
> > Ed
> ==========================
> Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call it
> a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such a
> pussy about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
> don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field instead
> of just bean field)

Well you know one that says "soybeans" now. I also know farmers who refer to
them as "peas" - would you have found me more believable if I had said they
rode over my peas? And if I could catch them riding around my "bean" field,
I would make them pay. Unfortunately it is hard to catch them in the act. I
have lots of smaller isolated fields. I didn't even know about the guys
riding over my soybeans until they were harvested - that's when we saw the
tracks and the damage. The actual damage was done weeks or even months
before we saw it.

> Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage crops
> around here, you're going to pay for them.

Only if you catch them. Maybe where you live, you have 24/7 surveillance on
your crops, but I don't. Heck, I have fields that I won't even check for
weeks at a time. It is amazing what some people do. We have an older,
decaying house near my Mother's house. I cut up a tree in front of this
house and split it for firewood and piled it up in front of the house for
later use. The house is in the corner of a pasture surrounded by an electric
fence. One day I happened to ride by and saw a truck inside the fence.
backed up to the pile and a guy loading my wood into the truck. I stopped
him and asked him what the h%^& he was doing., He said he thought the wood
was free since it was just piled up there near the road (but inside a
fence). I chased him off. What would you suggest I do? Call the sheriff? I
already know that is worthless. Sue the guy? For what? If I had not have
just happened to see him, he would have gotten my firewood and there is
nothing I could have done about it. About twice a year I have someone (I
assume they are hunters) disconnect electric fences around my pastures. I
can understand they might need to do this if they are trying to retrieve a
dog, but they often don't bother to hook them back up.

It is great that where you live it is easy to catch and prosecute
trespassers. Unfortunately, I've had little success doing so.

Ed

"Mary Malmros" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jerry Bransford <[email protected]> wrote in news:%mHfg.1322$sP1.50
> @fed1read07:
>
> [snip]
> > And Rick, I can't believe you'd call a farmer a "pussy" because he got
> > ****ed over offroaders who screwed up his cultivated fields.
>
> He didn't call him a pussy because he got ****ed off. He called him a
> pussy because getting ****ed off (and posting to Usenet, I guess) was all
> that he apparently did. If such a thing happened to my neighbor's fields,
> he'd call the cops, and they'd damn well solve the problem. Like others,
I
> can't conceive of a rural community where this problem would not be
> adequately dealt with if brought to the attention of law enforcement.
> Perhaps OP is an absentee gentleman hobby-farmer?

Well I am probably in the hobby farmer class these days, althoguh I farms
50% more land than my Father (a life long farmer) ever did. I only have
about 300 acres of crop land and another 75 acres of pasture and a few
hundred acres of woodland of varying quality.

I don't know where you live that farm land is under survellance 24/7. It
certainly is not in my area. I have fields that are down paths and
surrounded by woodlands. I might check them one every week or two during the
growing seasons, and only once or twice over the course of the winter. So
the chances of actually catching the person in the act is remote. And even
when I have cuaght peopel, the law does nothing. I've called the sheriff
multiple times for different offences and nothing has ever been done. The
best I ever got was a deputy coming out and agreeing that the trash was
real. I also once had a highway patrol officer check on the owner of a truck
buried up to the axles in my field (winter time). Nothing happened then
either. I suppose I could have pressed charges for tresspassing, but what
was I going to get? Nothing.

Ed

"Troy" <@ .> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tis why they made rocksalt & shotguns?

Oh yeah, shoot someone and see who goes to jail. Real smart. Or even worse,
get in a fire fight with someone who out guns you and end up dead.

Ed

"Jerry Bransford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:U2Qfg.1350$sP1.447@fed1read07...
> My reading for comprehension is just fine. I now understand
> what you meant to say but it wasn't exactly written in a way
> that could not be misinterpreted.
====================
Sure it was. If you read for comprehension from the poster I
replied to. It was all about HIS lack of action when faced with
so-called vandals on HIS farm. Like I said, NO FARMER would be
such a pussy to put up with these actions, therefore, like I
said, I called him a liar, and not a real farmer.



>
> rick wrote:
>> "Jerry Bransford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:%mHfg.1322$sP1.50@fed1read07...
>>
>>>I'm no farmer but even if I was, I'd be VERY ****ed if
>>>offroaders were screwing up my plowed fields that I use to
>>>earn my living with. But as an active offroader, I wheel with
>>>and know no one that would do such a thing. Although ANY
>>>sport has its jerks, offroaders today are very respectful of
>>>private property and other areas that are off-limits to
>>>offroading. "Tread Lightly" is taken very seriously by most
>>>offroaders. Those that don't are like jerks anywhere... they
>>>do what they please without regards to others.
>>>
>>>And Rick, I can't believe you'd call a farmer a "pussy"
>>>because he got ****ed over offroaders who screwed up his
>>>cultivated fields.
>>
>> ===================================
>> Can't read for comprehension, eh? Try again, i said just the
>> opposite. I said "..no farmer I know would be such a pussy
>> about people driving through their bean fields.." That
>> comment was directed at the poster that claimed he did nothing
>> but 'ask' people to leave his fields. The same people
>> numerous times.
>>
>>
>> I'd bet
>>
>>>big money if someone came onto any of your property that was
>>>cultivated and screwed it up that you'd scream bloody murder.
>>
>> ==========================
>> Exactly what I was saying. Do try to keep up...
>>
>>
>>
>>>rick wrote:
>>>
>>>>"C. E. White" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>message news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
>>>>>wheeling." I run a
>>>>>small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide
>>>>>my fields are
>>>>>just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise
>>>>>around in my field
>>>>>cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then
>>>>>ride around in
>>>>>unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
>>>>>leave only to
>>>>>catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
>>>>>(very small)
>>>>>percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike
>>>>>the category as
>>>>>a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously
>>>>>private property, I
>>>>>can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ed
>>>>
>>>>==========================
>>>>Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call
>>>>it a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be
>>>>such a pussy about people driving through their bean
>>>>fields.(I also don't know any farmers that spcifically say
>>>>soybean field instead of just bean field)
>>>>Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage
>>>>crops around here, you're going to pay for them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

"C. E. White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:44805576$1@kcnews01...
>
> "rick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "C. E. White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
>> >I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
>> >wheeling." I run a
>> > small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide
>> > my
>> > fields are
>> > just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise
>> > around
>> > in my field
>> > cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then
>> > ride
>> > around in
>> > unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
>> > leave only to
>> > catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
>> > (very small)
>> > percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike
>> > the
>> > category as
>> > a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously
>> > private
>> > property, I
>> > can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
>> >
>> > Ed
>> ==========================
>> Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call
>> it
>> a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such a
>> pussy about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
>> don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field
>> instead
>> of just bean field)
>
> Well you know one that says "soybeans" now. I also know farmers
> who refer to
> them as "peas" - would you have found me more believable if I
> had said they
> rode over my peas? And if I could catch them riding around my
> "bean" field,
> I would make them pay. Unfortunately it is hard to catch them
> in the act. I
> have lots of smaller isolated fields. I didn't even know about
> the guys
> riding over my soybeans until they were harvested - that's
> when we saw the
> tracks and the damage. The actual damage was done weeks or even
> months
> before we saw it.
> ================================
Changing the story now, huh? Before it was you were asking them
to leave like every week or something.




>> Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage
>> crops
>> around here, you're going to pay for them.
>
> Only if you catch them. Maybe where you live, you have 24/7
> surveillance on
> your crops, but I don't. Heck, I have fields that I won't even
> check for
> weeks at a time. It is amazing what some people do. We have an
> older,
> decaying house near my Mother's house. I cut up a tree in front
> of this
> house and split it for firewood and piled it up in front of the
> house for
> later use. The house is in the corner of a pasture surrounded
> by an electric
> fence. One day I happened to ride by and saw a truck inside the
> fence.
> backed up to the pile and a guy loading my wood into the truck.
> I stopped
> him and asked him what the h%^& he was doing., He said he
> thought the wood
> was free since it was just piled up there near the road (but
> inside a
> fence). I chased him off. What would you suggest I do? Call the
> sheriff? I
> already know that is worthless. Sue the guy? For what? If I had
> not have
> just happened to see him, he would have gotten my firewood and
> there is
> nothing I could have done about it. About twice a year I have
> someone (I
> assume they are hunters) disconnect electric fences around my
> pastures. I
> can understand they might need to do this if they are trying to
> retrieve a
> dog, but they often don't bother to hook them back up.
===========================
Quit making excuses, pussy. File charges.


>
> It is great that where you live it is easy to catch and
> prosecute
> trespassers. Unfortunately, I've had little success doing so.
===========================
Make up your mind, either you never catch them, or you catch them
all the time. Which is it?



>
> Ed
>
>

Just out of curiosity, how many people with opinions on both sides,
actually get out into the remote area, wander around, 4 wheel, hike,
etc... Cause my take on R. Lander is that he has probably never even
been to any of the areas he speaks of, but rather reads bits and peices
on the internet propaganda sites and then trolls for a place to spout
off. Dont get me wrong, there is trash here and there, but you cant
blame that on the 4 wheelers anymore than you can blame the clap on the
hippies. There is a random correlation with no proof.
If you are upset about something, do something, dont just sit around
and bitch....


rick wrote:
> "C. E. White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:44805576$1@kcnews01...
> >
> > "rick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> "C. E. White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:447f1d17@kcnews01...
> >> >I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four
> >> >wheeling." I run a
> >> > small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide
> >> > my
> >> > fields are
> >> > just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise
> >> > around
> >> > in my field
> >> > cutting tracks and distributing trash. I've even had then
> >> > ride
> >> > around in
> >> > unharvested soybean fields. I have stopped and asked them to
> >> > leave only to
> >> > catch them again the next week. Now maybe thius only a small
> >> > (very small)
> >> > percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike
> >> > the
> >> > category as
> >> > a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously
> >> > private
> >> > property, I
> >> > can only imagine how they treat "our" land.
> >> >
> >> > Ed
> >> ==========================
> >> Excuse me while I don't believe you. In fact, I'll even call
> >> it
> >> a lie. I don't 4-wheel, but no farmer I know would be such a
> >> pussy about people driving through their bean fields.(I also
> >> don't know any farmers that spcifically say soybean field
> >> instead
> >> of just bean field)
> >
> > Well you know one that says "soybeans" now. I also know farmers
> > who refer to
> > them as "peas" - would you have found me more believable if I
> > had said they
> > rode over my peas? And if I could catch them riding around my
> > "bean" field,
> > I would make them pay. Unfortunately it is hard to catch them
> > in the act. I
> > have lots of smaller isolated fields. I didn't even know about
> > the guys
> > riding over my soybeans until they were harvested - that's
> > when we saw the
> > tracks and the damage. The actual damage was done weeks or even
> > months
> > before we saw it.
> > ================================
> Changing the story now, huh? Before it was you were asking them
> to leave like every week or something.
>
>
>
>
> >> Hell, even if you 'accidentally' run off a road and damage
> >> crops
> >> around here, you're going to pay for them.
> >
> > Only if you catch them. Maybe where you live, you have 24/7
> > surveillance on
> > your crops, but I don't. Heck, I have fields that I won't even
> > check for
> > weeks at a time. It is amazing what some people do. We have an
> > older,
> > decaying house near my Mother's house. I cut up a tree in front
> > of this
> > house and split it for firewood and piled it up in front of the
> > house for
> > later use. The house is in the corner of a pasture surrounded
> > by an electric
> > fence. One day I happened to ride by and saw a truck inside the
> > fence.
> > backed up to the pile and a guy loading my wood into the truck.
> > I stopped
> > him and asked him what the h%^& he was doing., He said he
> > thought the wood
> > was free since it was just piled up there near the road (but
> > inside a
> > fence). I chased him off. What would you suggest I do? Call the
> > sheriff? I
> > already know that is worthless. Sue the guy? For what? If I had
> > not have
> > just happened to see him, he would have gotten my firewood and
> > there is
> > nothing I could have done about it. About twice a year I have
> > someone (I
> > assume they are hunters) disconnect electric fences around my
> > pastures. I
> > can understand they might need to do this if they are trying to
> > retrieve a
> > dog, but they often don't bother to hook them back up.
> ===========================
> Quit making excuses, pussy. File charges.
>
>
> >
> > It is great that where you live it is easy to catch and
> > prosecute
> > trespassers. Unfortunately, I've had little success doing so.
> ===========================
> Make up your mind, either you never catch them, or you catch them
> all the time. Which is it?
>
>
>
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >

Did you speak to the Sheriff or a deputy?

If your county Sheriff refuses to perform his duty what else have you done?
Have you spoken to the County Commissioners, or your local newspaper, radio,
and TV stations?

Elected officials are loathe to see themselves on the news being accused of
malfeasance.

Have you contacted the state police?

Why not just bypass the Sherriff and go directly to the County Attorney and
file charges. The prosecutor will issue the necessary warrants and the
Sherriff will have to answer to him if he refuses to serve them.

There is just too much in your story that defies common sense. I do not
know any farmer that ignores his crops for weeks or months at a time... and
never heard of it either...

I've seen where people just dump trash rather than dispose of it properly,
that is a relatively small number of people that should be considered white
(or yellow, or red, or brown, or black) trash not Jeepers....

I have a problem with smokers who dump ashtrays on the ground or just flick
their butts out the window as they drive through the park where I live.

The guy stealing your firewood was probably one of your neighbors as they
would be the ones to see it or hear it being cut.

The county road grader is probably required to clear road hazards and I find
it hard to believe that he ran his grader up into your woods to bury a
dishwasher...if anything he would just push it off the road or perhaps he
thought he was doing you a favor by burying it (with a grader!)

If you have a logging road you should, at least, have it posted as private
property and there is a great difference between installing a gate and just
hanging a chain or cable between trees at a height intended to snare
trespassers.

There would be no reason for a hunter to disconnect your electric fence,
even it retrieve a dog assuming it is properly and legally installed. More
likely it is some eco-weenie or PETA terrorist wannabe who thinks they are
saving wildlife from being tortured..

Perhaps you should invite a local 4x4 club onto your property. All the
clubs I an aware of take excellent care of any area that they are allowed to
use.

Are you being singled out or do all your neighbors have the same problems?



"C. E. White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:448050e5$1@kcnews01...
>
> "billy ray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.
>>
>> Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
>> same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
>> other than politely ask them to leave.
>>
>> I grew up in a village surrounded by family farms and I never heard on
>> any
>> that would tolerate this. At the very least the damage would be
> compensated
>> and most likely the sheriff would not look kindly upon this.
>>
>> Methinks you are a troll or eco-weenie or have some other mental
>> infirmary...... that or you are just a lying sack of dog doo...
>
> Believe what you will, it happens all the time. Usually I only see the
> results (tracks cut in paths and fields), but occasionally one of the
> geniuses gets stuck. I've found trucks buried up to the axles, laying on
> the
> sides in the ditches, sitting across ditches, or just not running. I've
> tried asking the Sheriff for help - what a joke! I did have one four
> wheeler
> ask me if it was Ok to ride around a field in the winter. I said no! Then
> caught him down the road doing it anyhow. His excuse was that he did not
> realize it was my field (I wonder who's field he thought it was?). He left
> and I have not seen him since. I did not catch the guy who rode around in
> my
> Soybean field. In that case I would have asked for damages. Some of my
> fields are isolated (not on a main road and surrounded by trees) and this
> makes them very attractive to four wheelers. They never ride around in
> plain
> sight of a house We also have a logging path into our woodlands. I
> routinely
> catch people down that path and ask them to leave. I don't want to put up
> a
> gate, because that makes it hard for me and adds a potential liability
> issue
> (one local farmer was sued when a kid on small four wheeler killed himself
> by running into a chain on a path). To be fair to "four wheelers" they are
> only third on my list of people who **** me off because they trespass on
> my
> property -
>
> 1) People who discard trash - I've had a whole broken up out-house dumped
> on
> my property. Old tires show up regularly. Bags of trash are common -
> despite
> the presence of a county trash dump less than 2 miles away. I've gone
> through the trash in the past and given the sheriff names. I was told they
> couldn't "prove" the person dumped the trash just because their name was
> on
> a letter in the trash. These days I do my best to identify the owner of
> the
> trash and call them directly. Works about 50% of the time. And of course
> there are just the low life people who treat roads as garbage cans. I find
> lots of fast food wrappers, drink cups, and beer bottles liberally
> sprinkled
> on the sides of the county roads through my property. Once someone dumped
> a
> dishwasher off in the middle of a county road through my proerty. The
> state
> motor grader operator came along and used his machine to shove it into my
> woods. I raised hell about that, but the state did nothing. I finally
> hauled
> it off myself. I've hauled off refrigerators and stoves that were dumped
> as
> well. And these item can be taken to the county dump site less than 2
> miles
> away!
>
> 2) Hunters - We basically give anyone in the area who wants to hunt
> permission to hunt as long as they promise to stay off the paths and not
> use
> a rifle (shotguns and bows only). Most hunters follow these simple rules,
> but there are always a few who use rifles and who can't resist driving
> down
> my paths in wet weather (which tears them up). I've also had to chase off
> a
> few people who think hunting involves target practice on trees. It is only
> a
> matter of time until I put up no hunting signs. I hate to do it. My Father
> was an avid hunter and he always wanted to allow other hunters the same
> opportunities he had. However, there is less and less open land and more
> and
> more hunters.And increasingly, the hunters aren't neighbors, they are
> coming
> in from urban areas. Just like many of the four wheelers.
>
> 3) Four wheelers - already covered.
>
> Ed
>
>

In article <447f1d17@kcnews01>,
C. E. White <[email protected]> wrote:
>I have a lot of dislike of people who like to go "four wheeling." I run a
>small farm. Lots of the wannbe four wheeling masters decide my fields are
>just perfect for trying out their vehicles. They cruise around in my field
>cutting tracks and distributing trash....
>Now maybe thius only a small (very small)
>percentage of four wwheelers, but they sure make me dislike the category as
>a whole. Given that they have no regard for obviously private property, I
>can only imagine how they treat "our" land.

This is just a general property/trespass problem.

I know two sets of folk: with kids to trespass and a small minority of
land owners with rock salt. That's the US. Mechanized trespassers
just amplify their acts. The US will likely go the way of UK for right
to pass in the future decades or centuries.

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