stu2985
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Tonight 7:30pm BBC One.East midlands (chn 960 on sky) Inside out program to see if 4x4's should be allowed on green lanes. Please note programs has regional variations so its only east mids BBC.
Tonight 7:30pm BBC One.East midlands
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DaddyCoolJordan
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Just watched it on iplayer not looking good for anyway really f***ing old people miserable f***ers
and yes there were all old that were complaining
and yes there were all old that were complaining
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What happened to the traditional BBC balance? Was there no-one there to put the other side of the story ?
Sorry I didn't see it - no TV.
Sorry I didn't see it - no TV.
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It really annoys me when I hear people, like that lady on the show that bought her house 17 years ago, then try and change the place around them. If you don't want to live on a green lane, don't buy a house on one!
The main argument seemed to be, we want it to be quiet so they should be banned. Do they, and as a walker I include myself in they, not have enough footpaths and bridle paths already?
Open to all, unless we don't like you!
The main argument seemed to be, we want it to be quiet so they should be banned. Do they, and as a walker I include myself in they, not have enough footpaths and bridle paths already?
Open to all, unless we don't like you!
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Not really tbh couple of blokes saying its unfair basically and it was pretty much all one sided
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Ssems at odds with the mountain bikers and walkers we met on the Lakes trip. Friendliest bunch of bobblies I've met. In fact a couple of them actually enjoyed the entertainment provided by our vehicles.
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yeh just watched the show on the i player, these are a couple of pics i took the other weekend while out with my daughter at mam tor, we went along dirtlow rake and this is the view we saw, ....... and they have the cheek to say its 4x4s that do the damage! this is caused by footfall as its no vehicular access!
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Nice to see a well known Defender there .. 
Shame it was so biased .. even the 'impartial' PDNPA's rep, who said he was "in the middle of the argument" is the #### who's part of the Walking fraternity!
Stuff 'em ...
Shame it was so biased .. even the 'impartial' PDNPA's rep, who said he was "in the middle of the argument" is the #### who's part of the Walking fraternity!
Stuff 'em ...
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Just about to watch this on iplayer. I do recall watching a panorama or similar bbc documentary along similar lines about 2 years ago. It followed a group of what appeared to be; grumpy, aged 65+ ramblers/ residents, who genuinely looked like they were enjoying causing trouble, creating a committee, and having something to moan about, VS an assortment of trail bike riders and 4x4 drivers.
I'm not a rambler, but I'm a regular fell runner, and hill walker, and spend alot of time in the hills. I also studied agriculture and worked in farming for a few years, so have strong ties with the land and the countryside, but I have yet to see a convincing argument for why motor vehicles are dramatically worse for byways than other forms of transport.
IF there was reliable evidence to show that the effect 4x4s and motorbikes have on byways was greater than the total effect of other transport methods, eg, pushbikes, walking, horses etc. then I would be more inclined to agree that measures should be taken to limit motorized transport, but I would still argue that alot (certainly not all), of the motorized transport users are far more concerned about the maintenance and upkeep of the countries byways, than any rambler or cyclist that I have ever met.
Residents who live near byways don't have a leg to stand on. If they don't like the fact that people are choosing to use a right of way near their house, they should A. Remember that they were well aware of the fact it could be used when they purchased the property, or B. Accept that they were an idiot not to realize that they were buying a properly next to a right of way.
Finally I think there is a strong argument to say that having byways open to motorized vehicles is an important way that disabled people can see the countryside, not from the comfort of smooth tarmac. I'm sure that to wheelchair users who cannot use footpaths, and who wish to see more remote countryside than can be experienced from a mountain pass, a greenlane offers an opportunity to explore the outdoors and get to remote places open to all members of the public.
The greenlane debate is one big can of worms, but those opposed to 4x4s and motorbikes I think are often doing it for the wrong reasons, and without a full knowledge of the matter.
I'm not a rambler, but I'm a regular fell runner, and hill walker, and spend alot of time in the hills. I also studied agriculture and worked in farming for a few years, so have strong ties with the land and the countryside, but I have yet to see a convincing argument for why motor vehicles are dramatically worse for byways than other forms of transport.
IF there was reliable evidence to show that the effect 4x4s and motorbikes have on byways was greater than the total effect of other transport methods, eg, pushbikes, walking, horses etc. then I would be more inclined to agree that measures should be taken to limit motorized transport, but I would still argue that alot (certainly not all), of the motorized transport users are far more concerned about the maintenance and upkeep of the countries byways, than any rambler or cyclist that I have ever met.
Residents who live near byways don't have a leg to stand on. If they don't like the fact that people are choosing to use a right of way near their house, they should A. Remember that they were well aware of the fact it could be used when they purchased the property, or B. Accept that they were an idiot not to realize that they were buying a properly next to a right of way.
Finally I think there is a strong argument to say that having byways open to motorized vehicles is an important way that disabled people can see the countryside, not from the comfort of smooth tarmac. I'm sure that to wheelchair users who cannot use footpaths, and who wish to see more remote countryside than can be experienced from a mountain pass, a greenlane offers an opportunity to explore the outdoors and get to remote places open to all members of the public.
The greenlane debate is one big can of worms, but those opposed to 4x4s and motorbikes I think are often doing it for the wrong reasons, and without a full knowledge of the matter.
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Mmm just seen it, not good.
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I can't help think that the way it was filmed was not quite as balanced as it could have been, with the walkers rushing to the side to let the 4x4's trundle through.
No responsible driver is going to make a pedestrian on a lane scramble to the side to get out of the way, but at the same time I don't think the walkers appreciate that it is the equivalent of walking down the middle of your street and expecting to have right of way (although in law the vehicle always yields to the pedestrian).
As for noise in the countryside, they're having a laugh. Tractors, crow scarers, shooting, noise and smells.....
I was brought up on the outskirts of West London but I'm not naive enough to think that the countryside is a quiet place!
No responsible driver is going to make a pedestrian on a lane scramble to the side to get out of the way, but at the same time I don't think the walkers appreciate that it is the equivalent of walking down the middle of your street and expecting to have right of way (although in law the vehicle always yields to the pedestrian).
As for noise in the countryside, they're having a laugh. Tractors, crow scarers, shooting, noise and smells.....
I was brought up on the outskirts of West London but I'm not naive enough to think that the countryside is a quiet place!
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It's just like the people who move next to an airport then have the audacity to complain about the noise....when the actual airfield was there before World War 2, unlike their house.
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in 2 weeks I will be a bobble & biker in the lakes, it will be interesting to see how friendly any greenlaners I meet are
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it will be interesting to see how friendly any greenlaners I meet are
Indeed - keep us posted Ste!
in 2 weeks I will be a bobble & biker in the lakes, it will be interesting to see how friendly any greenlaners I meet are
was up the lakes last w/end and the bobblies were fantastic, one couple followed us and even opened all the gates for us
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