TD4 Crunching into third gear! :(

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if its better on atf leave it in ,atf is more than adequate for the box,justy change it annually ,most boxes have far few changes
 
Joe_H said:
Hmmmm...:confused: ... now, IF I had an Audi TT :cool:....... or a Suzuki or Rav.. or, maybe if I was good at Perm and blue rinse. ????:p... Hmmmmm..... then I might have settled for a BJ :D


But........ Alas :rolleyes: ... I much prefer A'lass :D
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Mmmm, Perhaps this has gone a little too far, let me ask the missus......

Yip just a wee bit. :oops:

jamesmartin said:
if its better on atf leave it in ,atf is more than adequate for the box,justy change it annually ,most boxes have far few changes
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Thanks James, I might just do that but will probably do a change after a couple of hundred miles anyway. I noticed there are various types of ATF, do you think it matters which I use? I just bought the cheapest I could find.
 
i use dexron 2 or 3 from local motor factors ,and have done for a long while, if the one your using has helped gear change stick with that ,different oils effect how baulk ring can grab and clean oil from the gear cone, if yours works its ok
 
Alibro said:
OK, will stick with it then. :)
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I wouldn't have too many issues in sticking with ATF, however, due to you having the issues with - what sounds like surface contamination on the synchroniser mechanism, I would definitely still recommend draining the existing atf after a few hundred miles anyway. The contamination was probably caused by incorrect oils in the past or oil well past it's useful life - and any contamination is probably widespread. Changing the ATF after a few hundred miles will act as a 'cleaning out' process as the existing contaminants will be mixed in. - treat the first 'dose' ;) as a flushing dose.
After that refill with either the recommended oil (which you have) - or another atf - it is no real big issue - I would agree with James in respect of - if you do decide to stick to atf - use a good quality one though !. (Dexron 2 was used in early PG1 type boxes for example - see LR advisory - Dexron 3 is probably a better choice these days) - Personally - I would use what you have in it as a cleaner and then use the specified oil (you have it anyway). no worries really either way. Choices choices lol :)
Whatever you decide will be fine. ATF will not cause you any issues at all that I am aware of for the getrag box.

There is an advisory from LR for the PG1 / 380 - but I have no idea for Getrag -

Defender Date: 25.11.98
Freelander
AFFECTED RANGE: All R380 manual gearbox derivatives - refer to text for specific change
points
All Freelander
PROBLEM:
GEARBOX OIL - CHANGE TO SPECIFICATION
CAUSE:
At the following VINs, the original oil fill specification for the R380 gearbox was changed to Texaco MTF94 high performance oil:
Range Rover - WA 384300
Discovery - WA 752315
Defender - WA 131138
New Discovery - All vehicles
The Freelander PG1 gearbox has used the new oil since introduction of the model.
ACTION:
MTF94 will be recognised by its orange/honey colour as opposed to the red Dexron II oil previously used, and is now available from Land Rover Parts.
It is now the only oil which should be used for topping up and complete fill on R380/PG1 gearbox applications.
The new oil is compatible with the old and to enable earlier vehicles to benefit from its introduction, should be used retrospectively on vehicles prior to the above VINs for all top up and refill requirements.
Refer to PARTS INFORMATIONoverleaf for details.
Until further notice, current Service Schedule gearbox oil change periods are retained and must be adhered to.

- According to the great interweb :) - the mtf94 change was due to an occasional first / second synchro issue when cold.....
 
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Joe_H said:
I wouldn't have too many issues in sticking with ATF, however, due to you having the issues with - what sounds like surface contamination on the synchroniser mechanism, I would definitely still recommend draining the existing atf after a few hundred miles anyway. The contamination was probably caused by incorrect oils in the past or oil well past it's useful life - and any contamination is probably widespread. Changing the ATF after a few hundred miles will act as a 'cleaning out' process as the existing contaminants will be mixed in. - treat the first 'dose' ;) as a flushing dose.
After that refill with either the recommended oil (which you have) - or another atf - it is no real big issue - I would agree with James in respect of - if you do decide to stick to atf - use a good quality one though !. (Dexron 2 was used in early PG1 type boxes for example) - Personally - I would use what you have in it as a cleaner and then use the specified oil (you have it anyway). no worries really either way. Choices choices lol :)
Whatever you decide will be fine. ATF will not cause you any issues at all that I am aware of for the getrag box.

There is an advisory from LR for the PG1 / 380 - but I have no idea for Getrag -

Defender Date: 25.11.98
Freelander
AFFECTED RANGE: All R380 manual gearbox derivatives - refer to text for specific change
points
All Freelander
PROBLEM:
GEARBOX OIL - CHANGE TO SPECIFICATION
CAUSE:
At the following VINs, the original oil fill specification for the R380 gearbox was changed to Texaco MTF94 high performance oil:
Range Rover - WA 384300
Discovery - WA 752315
Defender - WA 131138
New Discovery - All vehicles
The Freelander PG1 gearbox has used the new oil since introduction of the model.
ACTION:
MTF94 will be recognised by its orange/honey colour as opposed to the red Dexron II oil previously used, and is now available from Land Rover Parts.
It is now the only oil which should be used for topping up and complete fill on R380/PG1 gearbox applications.
The new oil is compatible with the old and to enable earlier vehicles to benefit from its introduction, should be used retrospectively on vehicles prior to the above VINs for all top up and refill requirements.
Refer to PARTS INFORMATIONoverleaf for details.
Until further notice, current Service Schedule gearbox oil change periods are retained and must be adhered to.

- According to the great interweb :) - the mtf94 change was due to an occasional first / second synchro issue when cold.....
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r380 synchro issue is actual wear on the baulk ring dog teeth and internal contact surface, either dexron or mtf seem fine if changed regularly when it comes to lifespan,you rarely if ever find unworn baulk rings in r380s but it was a rare issue in lt77s, which basically is the same box ,part of the problem is lrs over stretched service interval , some boxes gear changes i find benefit with atf others mtf ,though with a perfect box youd not notice
 
jamesmartin said:
r380 synchro issue is actual wear on the baulk ring dog teeth and internal contact surface, either dexron or mtf seem fine if changed regularly when it comes to lifespan,you rarely if ever find unworn baulk rings in r380s but it was a rare issue in lt77s, which basically is the same box ,part of the problem is lrs over stretched service interval , some boxes gear changes i find benefit with atf others mtf ,though with a perfect box youd not notice
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Excellent info James. Personally I change all oils at about half the recommended interval - buy the oils myself and get the local freelander guy to change the oils (we have a specialist freelander 1 (mainly L series) over here as there are loads of the damn things!) - he only charges 20 Euro an hour so cannot be bothered getting my hands dirty ;) - - I think most manufacturers intervals are unrealistic for longevity - however, a car / vehicle is a disposable item with a limited life to the manufacturer.
I also change brake fluids and hydraulic fluids every two years ( again - dirt cheap).
Joe
 
So I took the car out yesterday for a drive and a bit of off roading, around 130 miles all together with a bit of messing around in a quarry and only the slightest hint of a crunch once or twice. If I wasn't feeling and listening for it I wouldn't have noticed so I'm very pleased to say the least.
Will flush out the current ATF now it has done its job and refill. Still undecided whether to try it with MTF94 again or just stick with the ATF. :confused:
 
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Joe_H said:
:)

I was polishing something - then the thought of a slobbering Alibro sort of 'ruined the mood' :D
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Looker ?? :confused: - ah - ok - for a while I thought ya said 'HOOKER' :D

Don''t forget - Irishmen are only Englishmen that can't swim !! - (me great granddad did - we hail from the river Shannon area of county Roscommon ) :)
 
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