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Pikey
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I've always used a shackle never had one give on me.
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dunno where u heard that
Only from reading online, the pdf i posted says it and there a few
how to youtube videos from "recovery experts"
When I bought my first landy 4-5years ago, I didnt have a clue about recovery etc so i did alot of reading/youtubing before my first trip to make sure i wasnt the numpty that just went out and got stuck.
As i say I was only asking for information and not to slate any ones techniques!
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I worked in a crane yard for a few years & their job was lifting & towing stuff about with straps & D links. Never once saw them using a voluptuous Marks & Spencer's bath towel to stop chaffing.
The main danger with winching & towing is the idiots doing it. Some people need educating in the art, they're a danger to themselves.
The main danger with winching & towing is the idiots doing it. Some people need educating in the art, they're a danger to themselves.
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Linking shackels is a no no when a rope lets go and ocasionally they do. you will get a chunk of mass i.e a chunk of metal flying towards one of the motors. The correct way to link them is to loop them together. To stop them tightening up and being like it forever you should use a lightweight non crushable pin or usually while out and about a thin section of branch. For extra saftey a sail aka mud sodden Yellow jacket usually gets looped in aswell to arrest any ropes if they break.
If you turn up and marshall any real event and link ropes with shackels you will be laughed at and told to feck orf as you would if you pulled out a strop. Then again the correct length rope is always an option.
Ropes can handle a hell of alot aswell. People on forums especially slag others as "you shouldn't snatch" with ropes Well just watch any Team recovery event and the skill and knowing your kit is good certainly is amazing a 24mm rope snatching 1000kgs stuck in porridge being launched out by a 4.6 v8 and it the ropes just takes it all day long weekend after weekend usually for a few years.
If you turn up and marshall any real event and link ropes with shackels you will be laughed at and told to feck orf as you would if you pulled out a strop. Then again the correct length rope is always an option.
Ropes can handle a hell of alot aswell. People on forums especially slag others as "you shouldn't snatch" with ropes Well just watch any Team recovery event and the skill and knowing your kit is good certainly is amazing a 24mm rope snatching 1000kgs stuck in porridge being launched out by a 4.6 v8 and it the ropes just takes it all day long weekend after weekend usually for a few years.
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everyones take/opinions differ on recovery..i dont think you can carry enough equipment with you to cover every eventuality.
you have to utilise what you have to hand safely
the biggest problems to be found on pay n plays are muppets that turn up with no winch,no recovery gear and standard recovery points,they then expect u to use your winch/recovery gear to get them out of the mess they got themselves into
so as much as its all about recovery its just as important to learn to drive correctly first and know your vehicles limits
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I know I know sounds anal but when I was a youngsta! Some geezer died because the motor he was towing lost its x member came through the back window and cut his head off.
You gotta be careful we all get away with loads its just when your luck runs out.
You gotta be careful we all get away with loads its just when your luck runs out.
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exactly the points im making..its not always don to the type of technique and the equipment used its down to the poorly preppared motors and inexperienced drivers that tend to cause the problems
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Unfortunately inexperience and poor maintance seem to come along far too often and both together!!
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If the shackle is rated and tested to a high enough level I would have no problem using it to join strops or ropes together. I tend to use bow shackles to join ropes and or strops with metal eyelets and I link strops when joining strops with soft loops on the ends.
Trialling regs may state that using bow shackles is a no no but recovery regs state that rated shackles should be used.
Who wants to tell the recovery and crane industries that they're doing it wrong?
Trialling regs may state that using bow shackles is a no no but recovery regs state that rated shackles should be used.
Who wants to tell the recovery and crane industries that they're doing it wrong?
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Ratty that's all well and good I agree but lifting with a crane and winching is different to towing.
The shackle isn't the weak point.
What's the safety rating for lifting (remembering back to college working out safety ratings strain ect) isn't it 7:1 safety factor for lifting? Winching again ands steady pull and the safety factor for recovery stuff all rope strops shackels ect is massive or shOuld be.
A typical 24mm rope is rated at breaking strain of constant 12 tonnes or there abouts a stuck disco or rrc could easily get stuck and to shift it you may need to 10s if not 100s of tons exerted to move it if for only an instant which the rope can and will usually withstand but the Ropes when you snatch. As is done when competing (almost never done with professional recovery) and the rope reaches its limit and breaks the shackle is a huge mass heading towards one vehicle. The motors used regularly for team recovery need mesh front and rear just as protection if the rope was to break. Recovery at comps and any recovery i do using a rope follow the same wqy as the regs no shackels seen what happens not funny.
Winching, recovery professional slow predictable is all very different
The shackle isn't the weak point.
What's the safety rating for lifting (remembering back to college working out safety ratings strain ect) isn't it 7:1 safety factor for lifting? Winching again ands steady pull and the safety factor for recovery stuff all rope strops shackels ect is massive or shOuld be.
A typical 24mm rope is rated at breaking strain of constant 12 tonnes or there abouts a stuck disco or rrc could easily get stuck and to shift it you may need to 10s if not 100s of tons exerted to move it if for only an instant which the rope can and will usually withstand but the Ropes when you snatch. As is done when competing (almost never done with professional recovery) and the rope reaches its limit and breaks the shackle is a huge mass heading towards one vehicle. The motors used regularly for team recovery need mesh front and rear just as protection if the rope was to break. Recovery at comps and any recovery i do using a rope follow the same wqy as the regs no shackels seen what happens not funny.
Winching, recovery professional slow predictable is all very different
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Are you saying that recovery companies don't recover vehicles in offroad situations? The type and speed of a recovery varies from job to job.
I use 15 ton strops for recovery purposes. My favourite strop is 75ft long and has a meatal link every 25ft. It's designed for pulling vehicles on steep or vertical banks. By using bow shackles it means that the winch cable can be moved even under max load or the strop can me short linked under load. If you don't have a rigid link you can't tie the vehicle off while you adjust the winch position.
