Strange noise from inlet manifold
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Yeah thats an understatement. Could do without the expense but the rest of the motor is too good to set fire to it.
I found some new TD5 motors on eBay but none of them were less than £5k
. I missed a complete motor with all ancillaries for £3k because I did a best offer instead of a buy it now and some other bugger beat me to it. I dont know what LR would charge for a crate motor but I guess it would be more than this. One bloke wanted £2k +vat just for a reconditioned bottom end.I'm was tempted to go the Izuzu route but I'd end up spending roughly the same money and there would be all sorts of issues with insurance etc.
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Found and bought on eBay a brand new zero miles TD5 engine still in its original LR crate complete with clutch, alternator, starter, turbo, air-con compressor, ECU and loom, all for £3200 delivered to my door. Its the later 15p version which has the modified cylinder head to stop the diesel in engine oil problems.
Expensive but a bargain for all that as its basically plug and play. I'll put my old turbo, starter, alternator, injectors, and compressor on the new engine and sell the new bits I take off so I should be able to pull over a grand back on the new parts. As an aside Turners are selling stripped recon TD5s for £3500+vat exchange so I reckon I've had a bargain even if it does not feel like it at the moment.
Painfull just after xmas and with work a bit thin but at least I'll have a new engine which should outlast the rest of the motor.
Having completely stripped the old engine I found the oil pump drive sprocket bolt was half undone so it was oil pressure failure that did the damage. The top end is shot but the crank and bores all look just fine. Piston 1 had two broken rings which explains the crankcase pressure. I'll get it rehoned, clean the pistons and fit some new rings, replace the bearing shells and sell it off.
All because LR forgot to use locktite on one bolt. I'd strongly recommend that any TD5 owners drop the sump and locktite the oil pump drive sprocket bolt. I'll be doing it to the new engine just to make sure.
One upside of this is the fact that the piston crowns and valves were all a light buff colour which confirmes by home brew fuel is working just fine. Very little carbon with no signs of incomplete combustion or overheating of valves or pistons.
Anybody want a bottom end or some new ancillaries?
Expensive but a bargain for all that as its basically plug and play. I'll put my old turbo, starter, alternator, injectors, and compressor on the new engine and sell the new bits I take off so I should be able to pull over a grand back on the new parts. As an aside Turners are selling stripped recon TD5s for £3500+vat exchange so I reckon I've had a bargain even if it does not feel like it at the moment.
Painfull just after xmas and with work a bit thin but at least I'll have a new engine which should outlast the rest of the motor.
Having completely stripped the old engine I found the oil pump drive sprocket bolt was half undone so it was oil pressure failure that did the damage. The top end is shot but the crank and bores all look just fine. Piston 1 had two broken rings which explains the crankcase pressure. I'll get it rehoned, clean the pistons and fit some new rings, replace the bearing shells and sell it off.
All because LR forgot to use locktite on one bolt. I'd strongly recommend that any TD5 owners drop the sump and locktite the oil pump drive sprocket bolt. I'll be doing it to the new engine just to make sure.
One upside of this is the fact that the piston crowns and valves were all a light buff colour which confirmes by home brew fuel is working just fine. Very little carbon with no signs of incomplete combustion or overheating of valves or pistons.
Anybody want a bottom end or some new ancillaries?
did you try Craddocks Shifty ? - they have a stash of boxed engines
this isn't a TD5 but i bet it'll go for peanuts
LAND ROVER DISCOVERY 3 BRAND NEW 4.0 LITRE V6 ENGINE on eBay (end time 26-Jan-10 10:27:58 GMT)
this isn't a TD5 but i bet it'll go for peanuts
LAND ROVER DISCOVERY 3 BRAND NEW 4.0 LITRE V6 ENGINE on eBay (end time 26-Jan-10 10:27:58 GMT)
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Yes I had a good ring around but the firm I bought the engine from work on military conversions. They are the peeps that put the 4.0 litre V8s into the army snatch landies in NI etc.
It was one they had surplus to requirements and we bashed out a good deal for both of us.
Blanchards ?
there's another company that does lots of MOD stuff and have massive new old stock, and started advertising on ebay at silly prices - can't annoyingly remember who now
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These are "Hobson Industries" they've got a good web site if you fancy a look.
Hobson Industries - Asset managed parts: saving energy and natural resources.
Hobson Industries - Asset managed parts: saving energy and natural resources.
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Well my old engine is out and in pieces. The scrap steel and iron bits will be dumped. The old cylinder head, cam carrier, top cover, and other assorted alloy parts raised £250 at the scrap yard. I'll keep the old starter, alternator, and turbo as spares but I dont expect to have to use them for many years yet.
My new engine turned up today. Heavy bugger with all the bits bolted to it. It must weigh getting on for 1/2 a ton. The delivery note said 400kg but I think it may be heavier. Look how nice and shiny it is
It will be a week or two before it goes in as I want to clean and paint the chassis rails etc. while its nice and easy to do.
The old clutch was well worn so I'd have had to do something before long anyhow. Does the TD5 clutch suffer from the arm wearing through? If so I'll reinforce it while its easy to get out. Front oil seal on gearbox is nice and dry so I'll leave that alone.
The old dual mass flywheel will be going on eBay unless anyone wants to make me an offer. The block and crank look just fine so I'll be selling that off as well. I'll replace the bearing shells as they are cheap. The pistons are OK but there were two broken rings on No.1 piston which was causing the crankcase blow by. All the bores are good with original honing still visible.
My credit card is maxxed out but work seems to be on the up so fingers crossed.
Watch this space.
My new engine turned up today. Heavy bugger with all the bits bolted to it. It must weigh getting on for 1/2 a ton. The delivery note said 400kg but I think it may be heavier. Look how nice and shiny it is
It will be a week or two before it goes in as I want to clean and paint the chassis rails etc. while its nice and easy to do.
The old clutch was well worn so I'd have had to do something before long anyhow. Does the TD5 clutch suffer from the arm wearing through? If so I'll reinforce it while its easy to get out. Front oil seal on gearbox is nice and dry so I'll leave that alone.
The old dual mass flywheel will be going on eBay unless anyone wants to make me an offer. The block and crank look just fine so I'll be selling that off as well. I'll replace the bearing shells as they are cheap. The pistons are OK but there were two broken rings on No.1 piston which was causing the crankcase blow by. All the bores are good with original honing still visible.
My credit card is maxxed out but work seems to be on the up so fingers crossed.
Watch this space.
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Well my old engine is out and in pieces. The scrap steel and iron bits will be dumped. The old cylinder head, cam carrier, top cover, and other assorted alloy parts raised £250 at the scrap yard. I'll keep the old starter, alternator, and turbo as spares but I dont expect to have to use them for many years yet.
My new engine turned up today. Heavy bugger with all the bits bolted to it. It must weigh getting on for 1/2 a ton. The delivery note said 400kg but I think it may be heavier. Look how nice and shiny it is
It will be a week or two before it goes in as I want to clean and paint the chassis rails etc. while its nice and easy to do.
The old clutch was well worn so I'd have had to do something before long anyhow. Does the TD5 clutch suffer from the arm wearing through? If so I'll reinforce it while its easy to get out. Front oil seal on gearbox is nice and dry so I'll leave that alone.
The old dual mass flywheel will be going on eBay unless anyone wants to make me an offer. The block and crank look just fine so I'll be selling that off as well. I'll replace the bearing shells as they are cheap. The pistons are OK but there were two broken rings on No.1 piston which was causing the crankcase blow by. All the bores are good with original honing still visible.
My credit card is maxxed out but work seems to be on the up so fingers crossed.
Watch this space.
what you doing with yer old oil cooler shifty? I think Stretchie is on the look out for one.
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Interesting post, a right pain in the neck and as you say not ideal so soon after christmas.
Glad things are on the up though - you will have some real peace of mind now - glad to hear the fuel is working well too.
Glad things are on the up though - you will have some real peace of mind now - glad to hear the fuel is working well too.
Remind him that the black gunge in the inlet manifold was NOT caused by the problem. That crap was caused by the EGR system.
While the whole caboodle is pristine clean inside REMOVE THE EGR COMPLETELY.
CharlesY
My new engine turned up today. Look how nice and shiny it is
While it is out and easy to get at, remove the entire EGR system.
No more disgusting gunge in the unlet manifold, and it will run a lot better.
The old dual mass flywheel will be going on eBay unless anyone wants to make me an offer. The block and crank look just fine so I'll be selling that off as well. I'll replace the bearing shells as they are cheap. The pistons are OK but there were two broken rings on No.1 piston which was causing the crankcase blow by. All the bores are good with original honing still visible.
This could suggest oil pressure so low that the oil jets that should spray oil into the undersides of the pistons were not doing so. Broken rings are quite unusual these days, but if the lube and cooling effect of the oil spray fails, rings can quickly overheat and crack. Easy to fix anyway, but make SURE the oil spray jet for that cylinder is clear.
My credit card is maxxed out but work seems to be on the up so fingers crossed.
OUCH!
There are a lot of bits that would sell - injectors might get £50 - £100 each.
Watch this space.
We are all watching, and waiting ....
CharlesY
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First thing I did. EGR completely removed and exhaust manifold blanked off with the blanking plate from my old engine.
Injectors will be for sale as the new lump is an EU3 one which generates higher injection pressures and the older injectors can not be used.
Also got a brand new air-con compressor to sell which should raise a few quid.
If anybody needs any TD5 odds and ends now is the time to ask. Manifolds, pipes, brackets, engine mounts, etc. I've also got the fuel and oil coolers, fuel regulator, both oil filter housings, idlers, water pump, power steering pump, oil pump, blah blah blah .............. Sorry starting to spam.
Poxy weather is putting the brakes on at the moment.
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Yo CharlesY.
The black gunge was not from the EGR because I removed it and took the manifold off to clean it two years ago. It was as clean as clean could be when I put it back. It had not come via the intercooler so must have got there via a dodgy inlet valve
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Its sitting here waiting for a good home. I cant give it away because I've got to try and ease the credit card bill but no sensible offer refused.what you doing with yer old oil cooler shifty? I think Stretchie is on the look out for one.
I'll leave it a few weeks then any stuff I dont want/need will go on eBay.
Stretchie give me a PM if you're interested.
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Well new engine is in place. Had a bit of trouble getting the input shaft through the clutch plate and into the crankshaft spigot but it came round to my way of thinking eventually. It took 45 minutes from lifting the engine from its pallet until I unhooked the crane and did up the engine mounts. Not bad if I say so myself. I took the old engine out in pieces and didn't realise just how heavy a complete TD5 lump is.
All that's left now is the plumbing, fluids, and steering to put back. Poxy weather has been against me as I've had to do it all outdoors because my Landy is too tall for my up and over garage door.
Anyhow here are a few pictures of my shiny new engine in my not so shiny new 90.
All that's left now is the plumbing, fluids, and steering to put back. Poxy weather has been against me as I've had to do it all outdoors because my Landy is too tall for my up and over garage door.
Anyhow here are a few pictures of my shiny new engine in my not so shiny new 90.
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Aren't you putting that engine in at a bit of a funny angle?
Very nice. Is that a new chassis too?-Pos
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No just degreased then cleaned it up with a wire wheel in the grinder, sprayed it with 2 coats of red oxide then 4 coats of Nato satin black as I had a litre in my garage just asking to be used. The front half of the chassis looks brand new as you can see in the piccies. No real rot was found just minor surface rust which was reassuring. The LR applied rustproofing seems to have been doing its job.Aren't you putting that engine in at a bit of a funny angle?
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