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Longbolt · Mar 25, 2015

GrumpyGel said:
Don't let it beat you!

I'm no mechanic. When my IRD went I cursed and spat fire for about a month deliberating how much money to pile into the car and how to fix the f***g thing. But I persevered, got some bits shipped over and lost a lot of skin off my knuckles - but I got it back on the road. I didn't even like the car too much before that - but I love it now. That was 2 years ago and its been Toyotaesque in its reliability since Its repayed me heaps for the effort I put into it.

For a fuse to blow there's got to be power going through it. You've swapped the fuse box itself - so its unlikely both had faults. Therefore it must be in what that fuse supplies. It only goes to 2 places - the starter relay and the O2 relay.

If you can pull the wire from F1, start the car and it doesn't blow - you've confirmed its there. I'd be amazed if its not.

As the O2 sensors can cause problems - I'd then put the wire back onto F1 and pull the wire to the O2 sensor from the relay at the relay and try again. Once again if the fuse doesn't go - you've confirmed it is the O2 sensor.

The difficulty will be pulling single wires as these days they all plug in together in a block - so you'll have to find some way of isolating just 1 wire in the block.

Its your decision mate - and I can understand exactly what your thinking - good luck which ever way you turn

Thats a point...Starter relay!

stebo88 · Mar 25, 2015

Im not to sure where you mean when you say F1 but i have changed the starter relay already

Longbolt · Mar 25, 2015

stebo88 said:
Im not to sure where you mean when you say F1 but i have changed the starter relay already

Sorry old mate. Its a Pro Auto electrics guy from now on

stebo88 · Mar 26, 2015

Longbolt said:
Sorry old mate. Its a Pro Auto electrics guy from now on

I think your right mate.

gstuart · Mar 26, 2015

stebo88 said:
I think your right mate.

such a shame couldnt pin the fault down ,

plse let us know what they find

right the bets are on what we all going for , lol

good luck buddy

GrumpyGel · Mar 26, 2015

stebo88 said:
Im not to sure where you mean when you say F1 but i have changed the starter relay already

Fuse F1.

Longbolt · Mar 26, 2015

gstuart said:
such a shame couldnt pin the fault down ,

plse let us know what they find

right the bets are on what we all going for , lol

good luck buddy

Ok, the bets are on...

£50 on it was the thing that made the starter fuse blow!

gstuart · Mar 27, 2015

Longbolt said:
Ok, the bets are on...

£50 on it was the thing that made the starter fuse blow!

yep , attached to the thingy ma jig when the engine started

think like me u would also love to get ur hands on the hippo to try and find the fault

shame Liverpool is so far away

wonder if possibly the immobilser is part of this or a fault within the ign switch ??? , as there's got to be a short across a live and Earth for it to blow, as the immobilser isolates the starter motor

the immobilser can't be bypassed though as I think it's all part of the main ecu system

wonder if bypassing the inertia switch under the bonnet could possibly help

Longbolt · Mar 27, 2015

gstuart said:
yep , attached to the thingy ma jig when the engine started

think like me u would also love to get ur hands on the hippo to try and find the fault

shame Liverpool is so far away

wonder if possibly the immobilser is part of this or a fault within the ign switch ??? , as there's got to be a short across a live and Earth for it to blow, as the immobilser isolates the starter motor

the immobilser can't be bypassed though as I think it's all part of the main ecu system

wonder if bypassing the inertia switch under the bonnet could possibly help

Yea, would love to get my mitts on it!, but probably couldn't fix it either. He has done everything i could think off except your immobiliser and switch idea.

Worth a try on the immobiliser side, and the switch. Anything is worth a bash really.

Still really think its an auto electrics guy job from now on if not your suggestions

gstuart · Mar 27, 2015

Longbolt said:
Yea, would love to get my mitts on it!, but probably couldn't fix it either. He has done everything i could think off except your immobiliser and switch idea.

Worth a try on the immobiliser side, and the switch. Anything is worth a bash really.

Still really think its an auto electrics guy job from now on if not your suggestions

yep I agree and feel sorry for the op as u quite rightly say gone through every conceivable thing

was just a shot in the dark really with regards to somehow a live and Earth are touching via a relay , switch etc as I thought if wires were melted together it would show by smoke etc

fingers crossed the auto electrician can find it quickly and resolve the issue and will be good to know what it was

stebo88 · Apr 2, 2015

update on my starter issue. Shes fixed ☺☺☺☺. Apparently it was the main relay (pretty sure i changed it). Took it to an auto electrician and he bypassed the relay. Cost me £57. Thanks alot for all the help lads i think i would have truly lost my mind trying to do it myself. Now i can concentrate on more important things like modding my hippo.

Again, thanks alot lads &#55357;&#56397;&#55357;&#56397;&#55357;&#56397;&#55357;&#56397;

stebo88 · Apr 2, 2015

Them question marks were meant to be thumbs up lol

GrumpyGel · Apr 3, 2015

Glad you got it on the road. If the sparky bypassed the relay, that means it will turn over even if the imobiliser (alarm) says not to. Whether the ECU will allow it to fire I don't know.

Depending on what he's bypassed - your O2 sensor may be ineffective as well. Not sure what implications there are with that- you might find out at MOT time if your emissions are out or if your fuel consumption goes up.

stebo88 · Apr 3, 2015

It feels abit different in idle. Like its vibrating abit more kind of feels like what black cabs feel like if you know what i mean.

stebo88 · Apr 6, 2015

GrumpyGel said:
Glad you got it on the road. If the sparky bypassed the relay, that means it will turn over even if the imobiliser (alarm) says not to. Whether the ECU will allow it to fire I don't know.

Depending on what he's bypassed - your O2 sensor may be ineffective as well. Not sure what implications there are with that- you might find out at MOT time if your emissions are out or if your fuel consumption goes up.

Since the auto electrician "fixed" my car its been abit funny. Now n again when i put me foot down on the accelerator it feels like its in too high a gear, like no power getting to it. Also when its just sat there ticking over it stinks of petrol n exhaust fumes are very strong. Any ideas as its only been like that since the starter problem was fixed

Longbolt · Apr 7, 2015

Hi old pal,

As grumpy said, your O2 sensor may well be ineffective after the mod/repair. So that could mean the ECU has gone into a sort of pre set emergency fuel mixture.

Its as simple as this.

You have to get the whole problem fixed.

Sort out the original fault, remove the bypass, get it on a diagnostics machine, and see whats going on. I know its all money, but you will be saving money on fuel/wear and tear on the engine in the long run.

stebo88 · Apr 7, 2015

Had so much trouble trying to find the original fault though. I still dont know exactly what was wrong with it.

Longbolt · Apr 7, 2015

Might be worth getting back in touch with your auto electrics guy and asking him to elaborate on why he did what he did. Shouldnt cost you owt if you just ring him.

stebo88 · Apr 7, 2015

Going to ring him tomorrow. Will let you know what he says.

Longbolt · Apr 8, 2015

stebo88 said:
Going to ring him tomorrow. Will let you know what he says.

Ok. Its gotta be sorted out.

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