Snow Tyres...

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Charles,

I'm afraid Tacr2man is correct partly for the reasons set out in Luke's subsequent post. You will have stated that your vehicle has not been modified from the standard specification in the proposal form. Tyres are a fundamental element of that.

Contracts of insurance are contracts uberrimae fides, or of utmost good faith (by rough translation) if you answer any question incorrectly, or fail to disclose something that the insurance company would regard as altering their risk (and a variation below manufacturer recommendation of the tyre rating will be such a variation irrelevant of your view or expert opinion), they will avoid the insurance policy and refuse to pay out. This is an obligation upon the proposer and not the insurance company (historically it was thought that the proposer knew the risks better than the insurance company).

The Law Commission is currently reviewing this following all the problems with the flood victims being denied compensation if you forgot to disclose a shop lifting conviction 30 years ago etc. However, the present law remains as set out above (as a very brief and inadequate summation of the law of insurance!!).

It really would be worth changing those tyres - if you have an accident your insurance company will pursue you for any losses that they have to pay out on which will mean that the cost of a new set of boots pales into insignificance.

Now back to snow tyre shopping for the 90!! Is the General Grabber A/T2 the generally accepted winner now for all round use then. Want to go green laning as well when I get round to finishing / starting the rebuild.

Jon
 
I fitted four 225/75 R16 General Grabber AT2 last week to my Disco TD5, and they are GREAT. Like amazing.

CharlesY

I've got General Grabber AT2s too. They're great in snow but hopeless on ice. Look what just happened to me creeping down a hill in low range (and I had just done a snowed in green lane with no probs whatsoever). Did a 450 degree spin on the way down in slow motion. Eventually ended up facing the way I had been coming but couldn't get any traction to do anything else. The hill got even steeper below me so I really didn't want to try going that way.

Nothing I could do to get either up or down the hill until someone happened along in an Audi with snow chains and a spade! Very embarrassing. Sticking the spade in the Rangey from now on!
 

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Now back to snow tyre shopping for the 90!! Is the General Grabber A/T2 the generally accepted winner now for all round use then. Want to go green laning as well when I get round to finishing / starting the rebuild.

Jon

The Grabber A/T2 are 'All Season' tyres rated with M+S. Although good and much better than summer tyres, they are not Winter Tyres. Think of them as a compromise tyre, good at most things, but won't excel in anything.
Full Winter Tyres will outperform them hands down on snow & ice.
 
Got 235/70/16 Cooper ST's on my Disco 1 auto.Great while driving in snow,but pull off from standstill uphill in more than 4 inches of snow with diff lock on and still takes some getting going.Bit of a pig if you gotta hit the brakes too with no abs..good fun though,so gonna try them out again as often as i can. :crazy_driver:
 
The Grabber A/T2 are 'All Season' tyres rated with M+S. Although good and much better than summer tyres, they are not Winter Tyres. Think of them as a compromise tyre, good at most things, but won't excel in anything.
Full Winter Tyres will outperform them hands down on snow & ice.
polish lad i work with was wandering round laughing and shaking his head at "all ze shtupid englishhh peeples wiz shummer tyres".He was telling me back home over xmas it was -22 in the day!!!:eek::eek::eek:
 
Got 235/70/16 Cooper ST's on my Disco 1 auto.Great while driving in snow,but pull off from standstill uphill in more than 4 inches of snow with diff lock on and still takes some getting going.Bit of a pig if you gotta hit the brakes too with no abs..good fun though,so gonna try them out again as often as i can. :crazy_driver:
It should never be a problem - even with my 'blocky' STTs - honestly try an bit of cadence braking - it really does work, master the technique somewhere quiet and you will never look back...
 
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It should never be a problem - even with my 'blocky' STTs - honestly try an bit of cadence braking - it really does work, master the technique somewhere quiet and you will never look back...
In soft snow you'll stop a lot quicker without ABS. Locked wheels are better in soft snow and gravel. A wedge builds up in front of the tyres.
 
I've got Fateo Range Runners 7.5 R16 112/110 on my 110 truck cab, grip in the snow is phenomenal!! Although that is comparing it against a Shogun with big fat 265's which tended to "float" when the going got tough!

The Fateo's were on the 110 when I got her, apparently they are from Argentina! Probably a budget tyre but they have got me up and down some very steep icey/snowy hills in wildest West Wales with no problems.
 
I've got Fateo Range Runners 7.5 R16 112/110 on my 110 truck cab, grip in the snow is phenomenal!! Although that is comparing it against a Shogun with big fat 265's which tended to "float" when the going got tough!

The Fateo's were on the 110 when I got her, apparently they are from Argentina! Probably a budget tyre but they have got me up and down some very steep icey/snowy hills in wildest West Wales with no problems.
yer can gerrum from here apparently:D
Tire Kingdom International
 
Disco TD5 on General Grabber AT2 today, crunching through foot deep snow without so much as a buzz from the ABS and traction control. Drive in, park up. Do the job, drive out. What's the problem?

Had 225/75/r16 AT2's yesterday as i couldn't get back up my drive in the Defender, ****ing awesome, rinsed it no dramas, went all over the downs without even thinking about breaking traction
 
Had 225/75/r16 AT2's yesterday as i couldn't get back up my drive in the Defender, ****ing awesome, rinsed it no dramas, went all over the downs without even thinking about breaking traction


Amazing huh?

I towed a 7½ ton truck out of a stuck-in-the-snow situation today.
The driver was unsure whether to be shocked or pleased, having started off saying "You'll never pull me out using THAT ..." while looking at my Disco TD5.

No problem whatever ... just hoicked him out!

Good tyres.

CharlesY
 
only just read your post about snow tyres. i have a disco 2 fitted with good year wranglers .absolute crap on ice . cant get up a long steep concrete drive .my friend has just got a volvo cross country fitted with pirrellli scorpions .it goes up the drive with no slipping at all.
 
Hi!

It seems a long while since anyone posted a thread about snow tyres on this site so I thought I'd re-raise the question...

I arrived home just before Christmas and slid down the road - this is not a steep road, just icy. A disco may be a 4x4 but it just becomes a massive sledge when there's ice on the road - a big heavy un-steerable one on this occasion.

Fortunately I'd not been driving fast but I still slid about 40 feet and that was with starting at about 1mph at the top of the slope! You'll all be glad to know I had no accidents - either with the car or in my underpants:)

In my richer days I've driven cars in America from Boston up to the ski slopes in some atrocious snow and ice conditions - gaily driving along at over 60mph!

So, I know what I want but are there any 4x4 or Britain-specific gotchas when buying snow tyres in the UK?

I'm thinking of buying an extra set of 5 tyres on rims so any advice would be much appreciated.

In my dreams I'll be using them in the Croisiere Blanche :)

I'll just put my two cents in and say that it's probably far more to do with your style of driving rather than the selection of tyres. I was pleasantly surprised when my sister's 90 made it up a 1 in 3 slope of more-or-less sheet ice on a set of BFG ATs and I've yet to take my Series III out of 2 wheel drive on the roads when they've been plastered. Admittedly it has far more aggressive tyres. One guiding rule I've found has been don't do any sudden movements on snow and/or ice.
 

Agreed. A set of AT's struggled on Sals Plain this weekend. My 255/85 BF MTs ploughed through 3ft drifts... with a bit of clutch riding and a bad smell :rolleyes: I made it though!

Yes, driving tech is everything. All the car drivers are screaming around in 1st. Been telling the Doris how to drive her golf in snow/ice conditions and now she is zipping about not getting stuck :)

G
 
Amazing huh?

I towed a 7½ ton truck out of a stuck-in-the-snow situation today.
The driver was unsure whether to be shocked or pleased, having started off saying "You'll never pull me out using THAT ..." while looking at my Disco TD5.

No problem whatever ... just hoicked him out!

Good tyres.

CharlesY

Sounds about right to me

well impressed with mine

the ride is smoother, the mpg hasn't dropped and i've stopped getting stuck at the bottom of the drive

Pete
 
anyone been using snow chains?On landys or other motors?
I've got them in the boot, but since I fitted Winter Tyres I've never used them. Got me up the mountain in France with 4" of snow on the road. police were stopping anybody without winter tyres or chains on.
 
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