Sam's new engine build thread!! HELP! :D
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bloody ell noisy, I have a night off and you take it all to bits again PMSL
Shall we start a gasket fund for ya?
looks good mate, glad you checked. I new a guy once who rebuilt a flathead motor once, got one piston the wrong way round. it tapped when cold but ran ok when hot and its been that way ever since. best to get it right though bud!
Shall we start a gasket fund for ya?
looks good mate, glad you checked. I new a guy once who rebuilt a flathead motor once, got one piston the wrong way round. it tapped when cold but ran ok when hot and its been that way ever since. best to get it right though bud!
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thanks for the comments fellas
thanks in particular going out to fett who has provided advice throughout the process, jonnyt who recommended i check the whole engine over (which as you say is a good job i did) and to jamesmartin who always provides exacting advice and help as soon as i need it.
couldnt have got anywhere without you chaps so just want to let you know i really appreciate it
otherwise, jonny do you mean a world record for rebuild time? well, who wants to hang around?! want to get it fired up! :5bdriving:
regards the gasket fund, it's only the timing cover gasket that i have bought twice! got it all fitted up last night, hylomar around the water ports etc, and then had to pull it off at midnight or something. there was no way i was waiting around for another gaslet so pulled it off carefully and just added extra hylomar where needed
managed to rescue the new front crank seal that the geezer had fitted to the sd1 timing cover and the rear crank seal was carefully removed and refitted.
bleedin PITA of course but we are all agreed it's a bloody good job it got checked/noticed and it always bodes well for the future.
the ONLY thing i havent personally inspected is the piston rings, nor have i torqued the heads. i'm remaining positive that he didnt **** that up, it's pretty obviosu stuff.
the pistons all felt smooth and snug in the bores last night and definitely tight enough so im feeling confident in that area.
basically the geezer made a decent job of the build, but he either doesnt know his left from right or attention to detail was minimal.
faults so far:
rockers incorrectly handed
camshaft spacer fitted wrong way round
conrods and big ends caps incorrectly handed
rear main seal fitted slightly wonky, not fully home
all easy enough mistakes to make if you hadnt read the manual word for word
TONIGHT its time to spin the oil pump up, fit a few hoses then fit the dizzy.
oh and i checked the crank timing last night with a dial indicator on no1 piston, crank timing was 100% bang on the mark
cheers!
thanks in particular going out to fett who has provided advice throughout the process, jonnyt who recommended i check the whole engine over (which as you say is a good job i did) and to jamesmartin who always provides exacting advice and help as soon as i need it.
couldnt have got anywhere without you chaps so just want to let you know i really appreciate it
otherwise, jonny do you mean a world record for rebuild time? well, who wants to hang around?! want to get it fired up! :5bdriving:
regards the gasket fund, it's only the timing cover gasket that i have bought twice! got it all fitted up last night, hylomar around the water ports etc, and then had to pull it off at midnight or something. there was no way i was waiting around for another gaslet so pulled it off carefully and just added extra hylomar where needed
managed to rescue the new front crank seal that the geezer had fitted to the sd1 timing cover and the rear crank seal was carefully removed and refitted.
bleedin PITA of course but we are all agreed it's a bloody good job it got checked/noticed and it always bodes well for the future.
the ONLY thing i havent personally inspected is the piston rings, nor have i torqued the heads. i'm remaining positive that he didnt **** that up, it's pretty obviosu stuff.
the pistons all felt smooth and snug in the bores last night and definitely tight enough so im feeling confident in that area.
basically the geezer made a decent job of the build, but he either doesnt know his left from right or attention to detail was minimal.
faults so far:
rockers incorrectly handed
camshaft spacer fitted wrong way round
conrods and big ends caps incorrectly handed
rear main seal fitted slightly wonky, not fully home
all easy enough mistakes to make if you hadnt read the manual word for word
TONIGHT its time to spin the oil pump up, fit a few hoses then fit the dizzy.
oh and i checked the crank timing last night with a dial indicator on no1 piston, crank timing was 100% bang on the mark
cheers!
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well done mate, well it will be me in your position next year if I get a chance to do my sd1 motor!
Glad you managed to get it straightened out, look forward to the firing up video.
Glad you managed to get it straightened out, look forward to the firing up video.
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Kin ell, the video!
I was just considering that the other day, I think I should get a cameraman then if it goes tits up I haven't got a camera to deal with aswell
I was just considering that the other day, I think I should get a cameraman then if it goes tits up I haven't got a camera to deal with aswell
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agreed
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SO
After a 2.30am finish 7.30am start this morning I was pretty tired today. Finished work about 5ish and then just did a bit of pottering on the engine, fitted a couple of hoses, span up the oil pump (which appears to work nicely) and topped up the oil level, put about a litre in.
Early night tonight so will be up for it tomorrow!
Will clean up and fit the dizzy and new plugs and HT leads, and ht lead guides.
Also will be washing down the engine bay ready to receive!
After a 2.30am finish 7.30am start this morning I was pretty tired today. Finished work about 5ish and then just did a bit of pottering on the engine, fitted a couple of hoses, span up the oil pump (which appears to work nicely) and topped up the oil level, put about a litre in.
Early night tonight so will be up for it tomorrow!
Will clean up and fit the dizzy and new plugs and HT leads, and ht lead guides.
Also will be washing down the engine bay ready to receive!
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nice one sam , glad you got on top of things. when do you hope, to have the old gal making some sexy v8 noise....
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Hopefully by end of play Saturday it will be fitted and running
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cool, what leads you got? need to be genuine grey landrover ones or magnecor in my experience but I know you had some polish ones you liked
Good work still going on.
Probably the last thing before putting it back in, but I'd undo the last row of head bolts and nip them back up again. All accessible still, take 2 minutes but will stop any risk of warping heads.
Looking forward to the video. At least you've got something to put yours in. I'm going to have to wait a good year before I get mine in and running - I haven't even got a chassis yet!
Probably the last thing before putting it back in, but I'd undo the last row of head bolts and nip them back up again. All accessible still, take 2 minutes but will stop any risk of warping heads.
Looking forward to the video. At least you've got something to put yours in. I'm going to have to wait a good year before I get mine in and running - I haven't even got a chassis yet!
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Hi fett, yeah I'm on those sentech leads from Poland. They seem to do a grand job with very low resistance. I would like to treat it to a set of magnecore but just can't budget it, certainly not at the moment
Have to say the polish turd items I am using appear to be very good quality without big brand price tag!
Hi Jonny, ok pal that seems like a decent idea, couldn't be a much more simple job tbh! I like torquing anything I can, especially here I'd like to have them all equal so what are we saying, like 10lbft and use loctite? Or even 5lbft?
How could you build an engine before the car, that would just be agonising!!
Best of luck with your project, I think it is a very steep hill to climb until you have amassed a pile of clean, painted parts and then you can start bolting it together like a new train set
Have to say the polish turd items I am using appear to be very good quality without big brand price tag!
Hi Jonny, ok pal that seems like a decent idea, couldn't be a much more simple job tbh! I like torquing anything I can, especially here I'd like to have them all equal so what are we saying, like 10lbft and use loctite? Or even 5lbft?
How could you build an engine before the car, that would just be agonising!!
Best of luck with your project, I think it is a very steep hill to climb until you have amassed a pile of clean, painted parts and then you can start bolting it together like a new train set
I would like to treat it to a set of magnecore but just can't budget it, certainly not at the moment
not going to do anything genuine ones can't other than be coloured
Just nip them up and use a dab of loctite - you're doing no more than filling the holes really.
It is agonising but when you get over excited on ebay and buy a big lathe and a Bridgeport mill it leaves you a little short on space!! Fun boys' toys though. I do have a pretty large pile of clean and shiny bits now after 18 months of work though. All suspension parts done, axles stripped, re-bushed, re sealed, brakes upgraded etc, all bulkhead parts cleaned, stripped and re-built (including full strip of the heater which was fortunate as it was almost filled with mud). Drive train is ready to go back together once I've done the seals on the gearbox and transfer box. So I am hoping as you say that it will go together like a train set when I finally get there.
Next job is the power steering box (only new seals) and then bulkhead - if I get that, get it painted I can get that assembled and should be able to get most of the wiring and new dash done too. I'm going to try to make a new binnacle and dial surround from milled stainless too (as well as a raptor dash) so that will while away a good few days / weeks doing that!! I can then finally get the chassis.
It is agonising but when you get over excited on ebay and buy a big lathe and a Bridgeport mill it leaves you a little short on space!! Fun boys' toys though. I do have a pretty large pile of clean and shiny bits now after 18 months of work though. All suspension parts done, axles stripped, re-bushed, re sealed, brakes upgraded etc, all bulkhead parts cleaned, stripped and re-built (including full strip of the heater which was fortunate as it was almost filled with mud). Drive train is ready to go back together once I've done the seals on the gearbox and transfer box. So I am hoping as you say that it will go together like a train set when I finally get there.
Next job is the power steering box (only new seals) and then bulkhead - if I get that, get it painted I can get that assembled and should be able to get most of the wiring and new dash done too. I'm going to try to make a new binnacle and dial surround from milled stainless too (as well as a raptor dash) so that will while away a good few days / weeks doing that!! I can then finally get the chassis.
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Sounds awesome jon, proper feckin rebuild!
ahem, er, pictures?!?!?!
like you say, the lathe and milling machine are bulky old chaps BUT there's only so far you can in the workshop without them. things would be so much easier if you could just make all the little bits you need there and then!
regards the leads POAH, yeah i appreciate they are a lot of branding and you also pay for colour. this is why im sticking with the sentech i have got that so far show no signs of failure!
thanks for the info on the head bolts JT.
cheers, sam
ahem, er, pictures?!?!?!
like you say, the lathe and milling machine are bulky old chaps BUT there's only so far you can in the workshop without them. things would be so much easier if you could just make all the little bits you need there and then!
regards the leads POAH, yeah i appreciate they are a lot of branding and you also pay for colour. this is why im sticking with the sentech i have got that so far show no signs of failure!
thanks for the info on the head bolts JT.
cheers, sam
Yes I know - I need to get round to pics!
It is fun to be able to make the bits and although people will say (t'other half says so all the time) that I am simply justifying it to myself machining work is so expensive round my way that I reckon I've probably saved nearly the cost of both in the year that I've had them. 2 drive shafts for the blades on a ride on mower saved me £150!
It is fun to be able to make the bits and although people will say (t'other half says so all the time) that I am simply justifying it to myself machining work is so expensive round my way that I reckon I've probably saved nearly the cost of both in the year that I've had them. 2 drive shafts for the blades on a ride on mower saved me £150!
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I still had tracking with genuine ones on my 4 door and there was no tracking with magnecores. they are now on the 2 door doing a grand job. plus they are warranted for 10 years
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spurred on by your enthusiasm I went dont to the garage and decided to put some oil down the inlet ports on the sd1 motor, I took the fanimould off and sold it as soon as I got the engine and then put it in the corner till my new garage is built next month. I have to say when I looked closer I realised the back waterports on the head were totally blocked lol. Ive not seen that since working on old raw water cooled seagulls as an apprentice lol. I scraped them out now and the corrosion doesnt look to bad. it cant have been doing the temp much good though lol.
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my efi manifold doesnt even use the rear water ports, maybe yours was the same so that's why they had got fouled up, due to lack of flow.
jeez, seagull takes me back, they were awesomely slow motors, dont see so many of them put putting around these days though, maybe i'm out of touch?
regards the machine work, yes it is wel worth having your own gear if you use it enough. machine work is very expensive, particularly for one offs, and more often than not you want such an odd item making that it really cheeses off the machine shop and you end up bodging something to make do becuase you have no other option.
so yes i would whole-heartedly keep justifying the machines to yourself
jeez, seagull takes me back, they were awesomely slow motors, dont see so many of them put putting around these days though, maybe i'm out of touch?
regards the machine work, yes it is wel worth having your own gear if you use it enough. machine work is very expensive, particularly for one offs, and more often than not you want such an odd item making that it really cheeses off the machine shop and you end up bodging something to make do becuase you have no other option.
so yes i would whole-heartedly keep justifying the machines to yourself
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ive got a sea gull pulls as fast as my new eninrude but with more character
