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So did mine. No probs at all.
running your car on vegtable oil
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I think it's one of them urban myths, probly started by Messrs Bosch GMBH
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Quite probably is. I did 6000 miles without any hassle. Only stopped cos the 110's in bits now waiting for me to get round to puttin a 200tdi in. There's an awful lot of crap on the net about veg oil, most of it put about by people who are trying to sell something
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Even 50-50 will be ok dude, im running a 200 tdi on nearly 80% oil with no issues whatsoever....................
Change ya fuel filter before ya do it, then change it again in a month, as the veg oil will clean ya system through and dump all the crap in ya filter! thats what i do! But everyone has differing views on this.........................
Change ya fuel filter before ya do it, then change it again in a month, as the veg oil will clean ya system through and dump all the crap in ya filter! thats what i do! But everyone has differing views on this.........................
Remember that the injection pump is lubricated by the fuel. Modern low sulphur diesels are NOT as good as lubes as they used to be, but VEG OILS are all far better lubes than pump diesel ever was.
As long as the fuel is well filtered, using standard filters, have no fears about a veggie oil mix.
CharlesY
As long as the fuel is well filtered, using standard filters, have no fears about a veggie oil mix.
CharlesY
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And what about a TD5?
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I think TD5's are based on the lucas type pump which seems much less suited to veggie oil. Could be an urban myth though
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I think TD5's are based on the lucas type pump which seems much less suited to veggie oil. Could be an urban myth though
Na! Td5's have them kin expensive pump in each injector jobbies.
Personaly would'nt do it but was just wondering if anybody had?
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How come we're still running a fred from 2005? Will these things never die? At the risk of repeating myself (and others) a TD5 runs fine on up to 50% BIODIESEL. Don't put veg oil in it though - it's something to do with it being a high-pressure system. You can apparently run the earlier models (TDIs) on as high a percentage of veg oil as will allow it to start in the morning.
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I know its an old post but as I am working on Biofuel research thought it might be useful. First you cant just get old chip oil. Our (UK) government have now made it that you have to have a waste disposal licence to get it legally, and that can be many thousands of quid. Yes you can run a diesel on veg oil, diesels great exhibition engine ran on peanut oil. But if you live in a cold climate it gets thicker and could clog your engine if running just on veg oil problem is it has fatty acids that are more viscous than Diesel or biodiesel. The reason for pre heating tanks is to bring the ingnition point down, hot oil ignites better than cold oil and to thin it down to reduce the chance of clogging. Its really quite simple to make biodiesel it just involves some basic chemistry to crack the esters but private individuals may find it difficult to buy in bulk eg the caustic soda and ethanol required as part of the process. The set up costs are not cheap if you want to make in bulk as you need a large conical stainless steel tank with heat and stiring as well as some lab measuring stuff.
Now the engine bit. I am fairly happy that the basic 2.25 and 2.5 na engines will work on pure veg oil but wouldnt recommend it as the engineers have made changes since Rudolph invented it. If using unprocessed oil I would think a mix would be better. If you make or buy biodiesel I cant see a problem with running an older engine without all of the tech on it I ran my 2.25D series on biodiesel I made and when I get the chance will do so with my 2.5na 90. As for the TD5 or TDI engines, I cant get any concensus from any forums if long term use is going to damage the engine so as a scientist the default position is do no harm so Im not going to try it until there is more evidence its ok.
Final disclaimer, im a biologist not an engineer (other than the enforced engineering involved with owning Landrovers) so if YOU choose to use veg oil or biodiesel to run in your vehicle I am not responsible if things go pear shaped. This post is just for information and I hold no responsibility for your actions.
Now the engine bit. I am fairly happy that the basic 2.25 and 2.5 na engines will work on pure veg oil but wouldnt recommend it as the engineers have made changes since Rudolph invented it. If using unprocessed oil I would think a mix would be better. If you make or buy biodiesel I cant see a problem with running an older engine without all of the tech on it I ran my 2.25D series on biodiesel I made and when I get the chance will do so with my 2.5na 90. As for the TD5 or TDI engines, I cant get any concensus from any forums if long term use is going to damage the engine so as a scientist the default position is do no harm so Im not going to try it until there is more evidence its ok.
Final disclaimer, im a biologist not an engineer (other than the enforced engineering involved with owning Landrovers) so if YOU choose to use veg oil or biodiesel to run in your vehicle I am not responsible if things go pear shaped. This post is just for information and I hold no responsibility for your actions.
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I know its an old post but as I am working on Biofuel research thought it might be useful. First you cant just get old chip oil. Our (UK) government have now made it that you have to have a waste disposal licence to get it legally, and that can be many thousands of quid. Yes you can run a diesel on veg oil, diesels great exhibition engine ran on peanut oil. But if you live in a cold climate it gets thicker and could clog your engine if running just on veg oil problem is it has fatty acids that are more viscous than Diesel or biodiesel. The reason for pre heating tanks is to bring the ingnition point down, hot oil ignites better than cold oil and to thin it down to reduce the chance of clogging. Its really quite simple to make biodiesel it just involves some basic chemistry to crack the esters but private individuals may find it difficult to buy in bulk eg the caustic soda and ethanol required as part of the process. The set up costs are not cheap if you want to make in bulk as you need a large conical stainless steel tank with heat and stiring as well as some lab measuring stuff.
Now the engine bit. I am fairly happy that the basic 2.25 and 2.5 na engines will work on pure veg oil but wouldnt recommend it as the engineers have made changes since Rudolph invented it. If using unprocessed oil I would think a mix would be better. If you make or buy biodiesel I cant see a problem with running an older engine without all of the tech on it I ran my 2.25D series on biodiesel I made and when I get the chance will do so with my 2.5na 90. As for the TD5 or TDI engines, I cant get any concensus from any forums if long term use is going to damage the engine so as a scientist the default position is do no harm so Im not going to try it until there is more evidence its ok.
Final disclaimer, im a biologist not an engineer (other than the enforced engineering involved with owning Landrovers) so if YOU choose to use veg oil or biodiesel to run in your vehicle I am not responsible if things go pear shaped. This post is just for information and I hold no responsibility for your actions.
Now the engine bit. I am fairly happy that the basic 2.25 and 2.5 na engines will work on pure veg oil but wouldnt recommend it as the engineers have made changes since Rudolph invented it. If using unprocessed oil I would think a mix would be better. If you make or buy biodiesel I cant see a problem with running an older engine without all of the tech on it I ran my 2.25D series on biodiesel I made and when I get the chance will do so with my 2.5na 90. As for the TD5 or TDI engines, I cant get any concensus from any forums if long term use is going to damage the engine so as a scientist the default position is do no harm so Im not going to try it until there is more evidence its ok.
Final disclaimer, im a biologist not an engineer (other than the enforced engineering involved with owning Landrovers) so if YOU choose to use veg oil or biodiesel to run in your vehicle I am not responsible if things go pear shaped. This post is just for information and I hold no responsibility for your actions.
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I know its an old post but as I am working on Biofuel research thought it might be useful. First you cant just get old chip oil. Our (UK) government have now made it that you have to have a waste disposal licence to get it legally, and that can be many thousands of quid.
Just out of interest, are there no longer exemptions for small users? I think it used to be under 4,000 litres a year, and if you weren't using it for commercial gain it was fine?
No personal experience, I just use pump fuel, just something I remember reading when there was a lot of discussion of this on the forum years ago.
It's been 2,500 litres for a few years now, tax exempt as long as you keep a log and it is only for personal use.
Upper tier waste carriers license is a little over £30 a year (as of 2018), which is fine as waste veg is non hazardous - waste carriers license is also only strictly necessary (grey area) if you are turning a profit on the collection, or collecting as part of "business activities"
Methanol
HDPE containers are vastly cheaper than stainless, and much better insulators for heating. cheap brickies paddle mixer for initial stirring
Plenty of info on the net for the interested
I know its an old post but as I am working on Biofuel research thought it might be useful. First you cant just get old chip oil. Our (UK) government have now made it that you have to have a waste disposal licence to get it legally, and that can be many thousands of quid. Yes you can run a diesel on veg oil, diesels great exhibition engine ran on peanut oil. But if you live in a cold climate it gets thicker and could clog your engine if running just on veg oil problem is it has fatty acids that are more viscous than Diesel or biodiesel. The reason for pre heating tanks is to bring the ingnition point down, hot oil ignites better than cold oil and to thin it down to reduce the chance of clogging. Its really quite simple to make biodiesel it just involves some basic chemistry to crack the esters but private individuals may find it difficult to buy in bulk eg the caustic soda and ethanol required as part of the process. The set up costs are not cheap if you want to make in bulk as you need a large conical stainless steel tank with heat and stiring as well as some lab measuring stuff.
Now the engine bit. I am fairly happy that the basic 2.25 and 2.5 na engines will work on pure veg oil but wouldnt recommend it as the engineers have made changes since Rudolph invented it. If using unprocessed oil I would think a mix would be better. If you make or buy biodiesel I cant see a problem with running an older engine without all of the tech on it I ran my 2.25D series on biodiesel I made and when I get the chance will do so with my 2.5na 90. As for the TD5 or TDI engines, I cant get any concensus from any forums if long term use is going to damage the engine so as a scientist the default position is do no harm so Im not going to try it until there is more evidence its ok.
Final disclaimer, im a biologist not an engineer (other than the enforced engineering involved with owning Landrovers) so if YOU choose to use veg oil or biodiesel to run in your vehicle I am not responsible if things go pear shaped. This post is just for information and I hold no responsibility for your actions.
A classic case of someone regurgitating what they've read elsewhere, but doing it with such authority and confidence that it's not clear to the uninformed that they don't really know what they are talking about.
Google "T19 exemption" and then go from there. And noone on the UK uses ethanol, other than, I guess for experimental purposes. And it's transesterification, not cracking. And any fool can call up and get a pallet load of methanol delivered to their door step... And enough caustic to sapponify all their neighbours....
Please, did you hear all you wrote off your mate down the pub? Because he didn't know what he was talking about either.
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Think that would be quite right. I actually had a waste licence for a few years when I was farming. It covered activities such as using hardcore for farm tracks, and burning hedge cuttings. It was free, just a matter of sending off a few forms.
I know its an old post but as I am working on Biofuel research thought it might be useful. First you cant just get old chip oil. Our (UK) government have now made it that you have to have a waste disposal licence to get it legally, and that can be many thousands of quid. Yes you can run a diesel on veg oil, diesels great exhibition engine ran on peanut oil. But if you live in a cold climate it gets thicker and could clog your engine if running just on veg oil problem is it has fatty acids that are more viscous than Diesel or biodiesel. The reason for pre heating tanks is to bring the ingnition point down, hot oil ignites better than cold oil and to thin it down to reduce the chance of clogging. Its really quite simple to make biodiesel it just involves some basic chemistry to crack the esters but private individuals may find it difficult to buy in bulk eg the caustic soda and ethanol required as part of the process. The set up costs are not cheap if you want to make in bulk as you need a large conical stainless steel tank with heat and stiring as well as some lab measuring stuff.
Now the engine bit. I am fairly happy that the basic 2.25 and 2.5 na engines will work on pure veg oil but wouldnt recommend it as the engineers have made changes since Rudolph invented it. If using unprocessed oil I would think a mix would be better. If you make or buy biodiesel I cant see a problem with running an older engine without all of the tech on it I ran my 2.25D series on biodiesel I made and when I get the chance will do so with my 2.5na 90. As for the TD5 or TDI engines, I cant get any concensus from any forums if long term use is going to damage the engine so as a scientist the default position is do no harm so Im not going to try it until there is more evidence its ok.
Final disclaimer, im a biologist not an engineer (other than the enforced engineering involved with owning Landrovers) so if YOU choose to use veg oil or biodiesel to run in your vehicle I am not responsible if things go pear shaped. This post is just for information and I hold no responsibility for your actions.
Lol waste carrier and broker licence tick both boxes and your NEVER get agro out and about.
Risk is from XUD we ran was gumming up, but there are ways round that on scrap motors
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No need to be rude mate! The T19 exemption came into force in 2014 after I stoped making my own biodiesel and I wasnt aware of it. There is no problem getting caustic soda but you used to have to have a registered business address to order Methanol from a chemical supplier so joe blogs couldnt just order it as a private individual, maybe that has changed too. used the word cracking as a laymans term and I didnt want to use the scentific term on this forum, if you want to check a thesaurus its an acceptable synonym. Yes you are right about methanol that was just a slip as I had spent the day in the lab making ethanol from a grass feedstock.
With regard to using it in landies I made a point in saying it was my experience and im not an engineer.
Out of interest where did you get your biochemistry qualifications?
